Yes Terence. I was writing this post and some visitors pop-in so I quickly erase whatever I was writing and try to look distinguish. They are gone now, so here it is again.
Last week we read news of these 2 Chiefs of our government security agencies being investigated for practicing IT with one married women and paying for their enjoyment by favouring her with job contracts. Than today, an MP has to go on enforced leave because of his liason also with a married women. I was thinking if they are sharing this same women.
I also wonder :
1. If married women are the vogue this season.
2. Are they all looking to have Dragon babies?
3. Are good experienced women so scares that they have to share?
4. Should they be encouraged, so as to preserve an intelligent gene pool?
5. Is these just a tip of an iceberg?
6. When can we get to see this Wonder woman and how others can learn from her skills.
Hi Lim Tian Soon,
Here’s my comments on your 6 wonders (actually why 6? All my life I thought there are always 7 wonders):
1.Married women are in vogue all seasons not only this.
Everyone likes married women especially if these women are their mothers.It will be horrific for anyone if their mothers are unmarried women.What will he or she be then?(no prize for that answer).
2.I don’t think babies whether dragon or otherwise are ever on the agenda as far as extramarital affairs are concerned.
3.If two guys happened to like the same woman, I think neither of them think of it as sharing the woman.The sessions are most likely one on one.I hope my assumptions are accurate otherwise the woman will be crushed and the two guys will soon have nothing to amuse them.Usually three in a play only happens in an orgy or on DVDs.
4.What gene pool are you referring to? The matter at hand is extra-marital affair and not baby-making.
5.Forget about iceberg.We don’t have that here so you can rest assure that tip or not,the iceberg problem is at the Artics far from Singapore.
6.I don’t think there’s any skill involved here. This wonder woman is oozing pheromone.
Hi Tian Soo, and Wendy #1,
Allow me to share my thoughts too. Just cannot resist, altho I was once divorced. It’s very nice of Tian Soo to raise this topic. I like this topic as this is a sharing of minds, and we can be open-minded about.
1. Are married women in vogue? I am not sure about being in vogue; but married women can be very attractive. When I was young, I was always tempted to spend time with young women. But, today, I find married women attractive. However, I was once bitten; and am not willing to go through another trauma in my life.
2. Are they looking to have dragon babies? I doubt, because babies are not planned. I don’t subscribe to the belief that women or men plan to have dragon babies.
Some of us fall in love all the time. I guess it’s the same with birds and bees.
3. Are experienced women scarce that they have to be shared? Personally, I dont think most men or women would allow their spouse to be share, knowingly of course. So, in a sober state of mind, women or men would not want to share or be shared.
However, men and women are prone to attraction to the opposite sex. I think it is difficult to control how far we carry a relation. So, I believe that, on this topic, experience is not feature. Attraction leading to new relationships can happen to any experienced and inexperience men or women. I doubt I would go after an experience woman.
4. Should they be preserved to preserve a gene? Gosh! Must be very exceptional.
5. Is this a tip of the iceberg? Tian Soo, dont read too much into this issue. I worked in the media for almost 40 years. What we read or hear has been around for years. I go for same percentage; although I am a firm believer that we are humans, and we still have our animal instincts and emotions.
6. Good question. I dont think we will ever get a show.
Thanks Tian Soo, I appreciate very much your raising this topic. It should be classified under the “Reflections” category. A good human discussion.
And Wendy #1, you write well. I also like the way you put imaginations into words. Well done.
Terence Seah
Hi everyone,
I wont go into the details , but I think like this :
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Also, even though both are ‘??’ , but they are only ‘????‘? also not God, that’s why lor.
What can we expect from mortal beings??
Let’s forgive them, they have brought shame upon themselves and their poor famililes, and paying for it now. And they will live to remember it.
What is the lesson to learn? ???????? think before you act hor, or you wl hv plenty to regret. :)
Agnes Lim
Wendy
I am attracted by your phrase ‘oozing pheromone’ I don’t know where and how we can get our hands on this stuff call ‘Pheromones’ but I have know that it is all powerful over males.
A few years back I have the opportunity to observe the life of Atlas Moths. I know that the male moth live only to have sex only and that is all he has to do in his life. Being a man, I thought that is good and I took great interest hoping to live like them. But the truth is disappointing and treacherous.
When a male moth emerge from it’s chrysalis, the first thing it does is raise its feelers and 2 sensory brush to smell for female pheromones. When it locates them, it will fly directly to the female that emits it. He will not stop to smell the flowers or look for food. The Pheromones dictate his behaviour. When he reaches the female, he clings on to her back and penetrates her urgently. The couple than copulate together continuously for days without withdrawing to rest. Not even rain drops can dislodge them. Good fun so far right????.
After a few days the female grows fatter but the male grows thinner until eventually it drops to the floor totally exhausted and die a lingering death. The female have sucked the life out of him.
In some ways, I think the Wonder Women in this case have done the same thing to the men using her ‘oozing pheromones’. It is the most powerful odour you can possess. Forget about makeups and grooming.
AN INTERESTING TOPIC to start the dragon year, hot on the heels of the two “dragons” and a “phoenix”.
Animals have sex primarily to procreate and reproduce and hence to propagate and proliferate in their respective species. They never have to stick to one mating partner (correct me if I am wrong). For human beings in a civilised world, moral and social norms dictate that married couples mate with only one partner. For those who would stray, the law and religion come in to ensure they stay in the “straight path”. Rightly so for the protection of the woman folks, some may argue. However, such restrictions drive men to go “underground” in search of other openings.
Hence, from the paupers to the Presidents, from the morons to the ministers and from the clowns to the chiefs, they are all the same when it comes to the fundamentals. In short, basic ANIMAL INSTINCT kicks in when the opportunity presents itself.
The alarming (even frightening) aspect of this is that, unlike the female species of animals, women have an agenda when it comes to ECA (extra copulation affair). While the clown may have nothing to lose, the chief will be more laughable than a clown when relationship turns sour or unceremoniously exposed.
Society is unforgiving – especially a penned-up frustrated society with high expectations. There are many “good people” out there waiting to pounce on high-flyers who stray. The reason is – those who are well educated, holding a high position in office, drawing a handsome salary should be intelligent enough not to be caught with their pants down. Sadly when the bed is soft and the dress is off, who cares about education and position. Adding salt to the raw stump when things are done is when MONEY is involved. The question that will be invariably asked of the poor chap is, “Why did she have sex with you?”
Animal instinct is a very powerful force to be reckoned with. NO amount of education, profession or religion can curtail it. Many women know this and they start by flaunting their asset vivaciously and eventually venomously.
Indeed, for those who have a family, career and social standing, it is simply silly to throw everything away for that few minutes of simple harmonic motion. With the money they have, there must be better (and more discreet) ways to satisfy their natural desires.
Hi Daniel,
You write so scholarly and clinically, it is a joy to read. But at the end of the reading, one is still no wiser on how to make the call. Or did I get you wrong?
Some may disagree with your description of just a ‘few minutes of simple harmonic motion’. They say it does not do justice to ‘the (4 letters) that make the world go round’.
Edward VI, abdicated for a plain, mousy little woman, Richard Burton (not a bad catch himself) paid a lot to present a compressed carbon rock to Elizabeth Taylor. And there are many other examples here too. So perhaps the human psyche is a bit more complex than your simple distillation to ‘a few harmonic motions’.
I have to confess that since I am not an expert, and also unprofessionalised, in these areas, I have to sit back and observe the various forms sprouting around. Unfortunately I am still far from concluding on such a topic of universal range and my Summa Theologica is still painfully at ground level. My ignorance is felt, more painfully, with all the experts flowing around. I still need many lessons from you, and others
Hi everyone,
We have Bill Clinton, Jacky Chan, Jack Neo and our 2 ‘??’on the list now, I wonder who is gg to be the next? He he.:)
Forbidden fruit is the sweetest. Only the wise can resist temptation.
Agnes Lim
Hi everyone,
Today i read in the newspaper : ??????‘????’??90??????????????????????’
See? People do not forever remember your blunders, time flies and lives have to go on.
I read somewhere, 90% of a man’s brain is made up of sex. But sometimes I think its 100% :P
God made them that way, to err is human. Of course some mistakes are unforgivable. But time can change everything. :)
Cheers
Agnes Lim
Hi Daniel #5
You have come close to describe very eloquently and succinctly on the subject pertaining to man, woman and sex. But not quite. You seem to suggest that humans under the innate powerful force of animal instint will invariably succumb to temptations against the norms of morality and taboos of law and religion.
To a great extent, these norms are well observed and practised in most civilised societies and rightly so, as the very foundation of a modern society is built upon these sets of rules. Any full scale degeration will tear the society apart.
However, put most men in the shoes of the two high ranking officers, most of them will fall. Perhaps these can be traced to the upbringing. A scholar who is highly intelligent may not have been exposed to all facets of life. At that crucial moment, he was battling between animal instint and his reasoning power. In this case, the fomer triumphed and he lost everything: position in employment, future earnings, freedom and respect. The price to pay is very high indeed.
Daniel and Robert
Thank you for your contributions. I gather from what you guys say,is that there is a conflict between Social Norms and Animal Instinct.
I am now wondering again, what is the correct path for me to follow. Animal instinct is given to me by my creator, social norms are man made. My creator must be smarter than men. So I shall follow my animal instinct.
The 3 guys are quite stupid. They cannot see that if they want to violate the social norms they should not be society leaders. They should keep a low profile and be a nobody like me. Then we can have happiness.
Hi everyone,
Tian Soo has just raised another very interesting topic , following one’s animal instinct.
Is it good? So you feel like eating you eat and eat and eat and get obese and get diabetes stroke heart attack ?
You feel like raping you rape, you feel like getting angry you lash out , or you feel like murdering you murder.
you feel like stealing , you steal, you feel like having adultery, you go do it. You love sex so you have it till you get satisfied and maybe end up with AIDS?
What differentiates animal from humans? Humans ex self control. The beauty about it. Its one of the fruits of the HOly Spirit. Even if we do not bring religion into the picture , its still a gem , an asset to have this thing called self control. no ?
Just imagine a society with citizens without self control,all manifesting their animal instincts, what would life be, would you like to live there? I really do not dare to think about it. That’s why we have laws , basically is to punish and control those people who cannot control themselves.
Yes, being a nobody you can go ahead and violate social norms, perhaps the price you pay may not be as high as the famous people, but YOU WILL PAY. no meh?
But again , it takes all sorts to make world , no? People will all have different values. I always believe in respecting others who are different from myself. I do not impose my thinking or opinion. But for myself, i choose responsibility. I want to be responsible towards myself, towards my family and towards my Maker. Then i have peace in the heart.
To each his own then, at the end of the day, or at the end of your life, when you look back, if you can still smile, then, nobody can anything. hehe :P who has the right to state how you live? nobody. only you. :)
Cheers
Agnes Lim
Agnes #11
Very well explained.
Can I just follow my animal instint just for the married woman with ‘oozing pheromone’ because I am man?
Tian Soo #12
Can la. I already said the choice is yours what.
Anyway, i have sth to add on, i speak like i have very good slf control like that but excuse me, what i mean is i LIke self control v much. I do not have 100% of it. still working hard on it. So many times I wish i have more of it.
Hehe, so you can follow your animal instinct, i can continue to improve my self control, to each his own la, ok?
:)
even unhappy a little bit also not good you know, will have wrinkles and the blood pressure will shoot up. so stay calm ok?
Cheers
Agnes Lim
THANK YOU Charles, Robert, Tian Soo and Agnes, for your inputs. Appreciate each your analysis and frank remarks, and an opportunity for me to write more.
When I tune in to the Animal Planet channel, there are always vivid images of animals doing their most intimate act. The process is more or less similar. The sad thing is – when they are disengaged, each walks away its own way as if nothing has happened. Back to our planet, and my point is, “Love without Sex is a Shame” and “Sex without Love is a Game”, albeit a very elaborate game for some. I stand corrected in the use of “simple harmonic motion” as far as some “gamers” are concerned.
When a person directs a punch at me, I duck. This is instinct and it applies to all living things. Collectively, we call this animal instinct. When nature calls, we respond accordingly and naturally. Whether within or beyond our control is a subjective call. Trying to draw a parallel between a mutually consensual sex act and rape or murder is discrediting the “game” too much. One is an exchange of affection (sincerely or otherwise) while another is obviously a display of aggression.
The aftermath of the seemingly lovely exchange however, turns ugly when somebody else is unhappy, or invariably, money becomes the disputing factor. Onlookers at large then label it right or wrong according to moral values, legal restrictions and religion beliefs. The extent of such variables differs from country to country. In a capitalist state, the money factor is conspicuously highlighted to negate the “unsavoury behaviour” of the couple concerned.
For obvious reasons, we should not promote promiscuous lifestyles. However, nobody is in a position to advise a pair of adults what to do or not to do when they are left alone. We can only wonder why a person of high education and social standing could succumb to the most primitive trick in the world. Why is a person with such “low intelligence” made to run a very important high office in our country? I shudder to think of our education system and selection process.
Hey Agnes, I’m not saying anything but can only stand behind and support you – yup you’re right about the 100% thing! Hello debaters, enjoying myself at the fence with your ping-pong pounding of your theories – Pheromones, animal instincts, underground, game, fruits of the Holy Spirit, what-have-you. Good accompaniment to lunchtime entertainment, thanks SHC debaters. You’ve brought life to this forum!
#15 Hi Susan,
Thanks for your support. I believe you speak through your own experience of men, hehe, just the same as me. :)
#14 Hi Daniel,
I like your “Sex w/o Love is a Shame’ .
And the last part of your writing is sth i’d been feeling quite strong all these years. I always feel that our ed system does not emphasize on morals and virtue building ( hehe, if there is such a phrase), just so meritocratic. And I’m so happy to learn that the new Education Minister( dont know his name leh, but remember him as the kindly looking guy w big round eyes wearing spectacles ) actually places much emphasis on moral education when he took up office. I was so encouraged, muttering to myself, our children and youths got hope already . I really have great respect for this man you know. First minister of education in s’pore that focus on character building instead of just study study study result result result.
Hey, folks I’v enjoyed sharing my views with all of you.
Thanks for all your inputs.
Cheers :)
Agnes Lim
Hi Daniel
I fully and totally agree with “Sex without Love is a Game”. It boils down to LUST which even in a marriage will fade unless both partners have very high sex drive till death do they part. Awesome!
As for “Love without Sex is a Shame”, I beg to differ. One does not stop loving one’s partner when he/she/it can no longer perform or give. There are still lots of ways to be itimate and be fulfilled.
But you may mean ‘shame’ as in ‘it’s a pity’……if so, ahhh yes, but with a strong bond and deep caring for each other, it will ‘compensate’, kinda, for the inability to have ‘a few minutes of simple harmonic motion’ (I love this phrase, by the way; very eloquent but am disappointed with the duration and the simplicity).
By the way, I think Mandarin Ducks only mate with one partner for life.
# 17 Geraldine
Thanks Geraldine, your input makes me to read the 2 one more time, i think i typed too fast. what i wanted to say was actually Sex w/o love is a shame, but love w/o sex is to me incomplete. yes its a pity.
#16 Hi Agnes, Eerrrm, blush blush….noooo, not through this “experience of men” leh(this can be misunderstood LOL!). But somehow it seems to be the norm for men to fall for the temptation, Well, I exaggerate by 10% hor but it’s too many that we heard, read about. Even monks and priests have been known to be linked to women, right?
The whole of Singapore seem to condemn these amorous men and THAT woman for their wrong doings. I am just wondering what it is they have done wrong.
The basis of the wrong doing seem to be in 2 areas. Firstly, committing adultery is wrong and secondly awarding contracts for sex favours is wrong. The second wrong is straightforward and they have to be punished by the law. The first wrong cannot be punished by law, so it is lawful. So is it wrong?
Many of you seem to say having sex with a married women is wrong because it is against Social Norms and Moral values. Some of you may think that it is doubly scandalous that they share the same women. Or just that the woman had gone to bed with 2 men. Me,I just enjoy scandals.
I think Social Norms are arbitrary and discriminating. There are core moral values that have to exist in order for society to function peacefully and that have been institutionalized by passing laws. Then there are different groups in the same society who have there own moral values. These are totally subjective and can be very destructive. People would die to uphold their values and persecute nonbelievers whilst at the time preaching peace. I think we should be tolerant of those with different values and have an open mind.
I personally know of wives who accepts their husbands sexual infidelity as long as they are discrete. This is because sex has become a painful experience for themselves. These women are not sexually promiscuous, they just value emotional ties more than sex. They still expect the same emotional commitments from their husbands. And they also understand their husbands animal instincts.
In ancient times senior wives even encourage their own sisters to marry their husband so that they can have better control over the family wealth. Then there are men who are promiscuous and do not mind their wife doing the same.
So, are we imposing our values on the 3 poor guys unfairly? As for the WOMAN, I just want to have a look at her.
Hi Lim Tian Soo,
Many years back when I read about cases in the papers about so and so committing some crime and because for some reasons, certain parties are not named or featured in the media,I make my way to the judicial courts to sit in at the court hearings.I saw the 15year old boy involved in the Anthony Ler case,Andrea De Crus and alot of Mediacorp artists of the Slim 10 saga,the One-eyed Dragon,the step-father who murdered Noi Noi,the guy who murdered Huang Na,the guy who threw his girlfriend down 10 storeys and the air-stewardess Constance Chee who dropped the daughter of her rag and bone boyfriend down from some HDB flat.I became very hooked on this activity and would still be at it if not for the fact that a journalist interviewed me and publish the story of court kay-pohs and a big picture of yours truely( that’s me)as a centre-spread feature in the week-end edition of the local newspapers.What follows after that was mind-boggling. I got alot of calls from all my friends and contacts and my activity was exposed nation-wide.Subsequently,when I went to the court to sit in at another case, almost everyone knows me-the policemen, even the lawyer Subhas and the other regular court kay-pohs.Since then, I quit going to the courts and have never been back there.
Hi Agnes
I enjoyed reading your views at #11. Well put.
p/s try to slow down your typing the next time. Keekee…..
Hahahaa, TS, finally I love this ‘The first wrong cannot be punished by law, so it is lawful. So is it wrong?’ Adorable question.
By the way, adultery is punishable in some countries.
Yes, agree with paragraph 5. Some wives don’t look at the ACT as a big deal when their husbands stray as long as they are discreet.
Besides the emotional commitments, other factors such as financial, status – I know of women who married very well into famous families just won’t leave as they will lose the MRS whatever-the-fook title and the power and privileges that come with it. They are miserable for life. This is their choice.
As for your wanting just to look at the WOMAN, you may be disappointed. Those men may very well have gorgeous wives at home.
Men are men afterall……..with a right stroke to their ego without even going south, hmmmmm, a woman (regardless of her marital status) will have men eating out of her hands before she even needs to whisper Babeeee…
Smart woman!
Hi Tian Soo @ #20,
I don’t think that Singaporeans are really condemning the 2 ‘scholar elites’.
My observation is there is a growing gulf between the haves and the have-nots, between the PAP and the anti-PAP, btwn the connected and the unconnected and the PAP+civil service and the private sector.
One major cause is definitely the income gap. The other is how ‘connected’ people seems to be lightly treated by the courts, while the poor and unconnected gets the heavy end of the stick.
Recently a Malay man, with a disabled parent was jailed for many months for stealing S$32 from a mosque. Contrast this with the Urkrainian who was acquited for stroking an SIA stewardess’ bum, while in flight. The judge accepted the private settlement of S$10k. You can find many cases of Singaporeans jailed for cases of molest, no acquittal.
During the ‘High Society drug bust’ some years ago, most of the persons caught, Singaporeans and foreigners, were jailed for 3 to 5 years. But there was one lucky chap who was given a sentence of 8 months, given a relief of a third of the sentence, before he even completed his 2 thirds sentencing. To top it off he was given ‘home detention’, eating all manner of food and drinks, staying in his big house, for most of his sentence. There was much public disquiet then, I remember.
The public condemnation of these two scholars were nothing compared to the NKF case. Even the media was quite pronounced in their prosecution.
I cannot help but feel suspicious that this 2 cases were offered to the public because of wide-spread dissatisfaction following the elections. After all, it seems no money was lost by the 2 agencies, they passed through the govt tendering process without any influence from the 2 scholars. The act of corruption was deemed to be so because they were intimate, ie no money was involved, but one party must be corrupted because he was a senior person of high authority, who was sexing the woman. Therefore, because of this sexual relationship, outside of marriage, he was deemed to have exercised influence and deemed to be corrupt.
The reasoning is sound, bur tenuous, therefore, more evidence must be adduced, to which we have none so far. It is like saying your wife has commercial contracts with the company, of which you are the boss. Good chance of being corrupt.
As for the woman, the man are curious, and out to condemn her, for she has shown, she is capable of outwitting even 2 men, and scholars at that, not ordinary men.
The women, however, are ready to salute her, and keen to learn her technique.
This is how I see events unfolding Somple harmonic motions, how pretty she is, her techniques are simply details
The Dragon has been mischievous.It started the new year by bringing some sensational titbits to arouse us. The sedate population is awakened and can hardly wait. They are clambering for more.
Discussing about it, like at coffee shops or forum sites (like this one), is harmless. It helps us stay active and relevant. However, probing and pressing the accused for an answer as if one is a judge of the highest morality is detestable.
I saw in the ST forum today 2 letters demanding more info concerning the WP member with alleged “personal misconduct”. My reply to the writers is,
“????…???????”
Charles – to add on to your “inequality” exposition – in today’s ST page A3, there is a report of a man who got 5 week’s jail for road rage. The appeal court judge has considered his past record and decided he was NOT suitable for the less severe community-based sentences. The judge is right. Compare this with that celebrity TV host. She got only a tap on the wrist for committing a very similar offence. She could afford the best defending lawyer. The prosecutor did not even appeal. So much for “based on justice and equality so as to blah blah….”
Back to the case of the 2 chiefs. Personally, I think the two men had done what any able-bodied hot-blooded man would have done. The rational part of course left much to be desired. We don’t know the circumstances and conditions leading to the grand finale so it is difficult to comment.
The searching question of the entire episode is, “Is a man who has had sex with a woman other than his wife, cheating his wife?” Must he do it very surreptitiously? Take away the money factor and the question is more straight forward. To be fair, “Shouldn’t a man who answers YES be equally magnanimous when his fortune is reversed? “
Hi Geraldine,
Thanks, I also agree fully with you in #17. That’s why I read Daniel’s message again, cos i think i got it a bit mixed up. :)
Hi Susan #19,
Hehehe, maybe yes i agree with you ‘experience of men’ could conjure up many things, too vague huh. yes sorry.
well to me it means like when you talk to your husband or ex bf, or guy frens , or when I overheard different groups of male colleagues commenting about their girls or ladies in the workplace etc . And of course yes, its the common thing for men from ancient to present to fall for such temptations.
HI Daniel,
The Law is an Ass. That is what they teach you in Law school initially.
Making a judgement against another fellow human being, or simply judging others is simply immoral and detestable. But I think we can discuss human behaviour, probe, ask for reasons, clarification etc without being judgemental and that is alright. How else can we seek clarification to better understand a person. I can ask either of the 2 sorry personalities, why did they do it? What did they hope to achieve? What were their feelings and experience during the relationship, initially, at the end? Maybe I would even go so far as to ask them to describe their feelings when they were in the height of their relationship. They always have the option of reserving their right not to answer on privacy grounds.
But I agree the ST letter writer was exercising her opinion on what behavioural standards should apply to top level civil servants. I am sure she would have been less demanding if it concerned the political elite. So you see, even the public’s notions of rights, propriety and principles have been compromised.
I also cannot stand that Taiwanese import. Whenever I see her on TV, I switch channels. Shows you how balanced I can be. But that is my perogative.
This issue is of 2 men, scholar elites, civil servants, of high responsibility, power and influence, high income, who had sex with outside of marriage, with a party, involved in recurrent commercial interests, within the influence of the 2 said men.
The onus of impropriety, wrong doing, rests with the public, the media, and in this case, strict Acts of the relevant law to prevent acts of corruption.
In any industry, policing, miltary, insurance, securities, real estate etc, there are known practices which have evolved professionally. These are then crystallised into policies, Acts (of Law or the professional organisation) to protect lay people, public and customers. Such policies, laws etc have to be then enforced for compliance. Ocassionally we see some enforcement, like the NKF, after many years of abuse. It is up to the authorities to set the standards, enforce compliance for the public good. A case in point is the MRT breakdowns. I lady letter writer complained that , as a consumer, she is not interested in how much money MRT makes, how well they exploit the retail space in the stations. She just wants a fast, safe, efficient and comfortable ride. Being a public utility, she has every right to demand standards be enforced. But the LTA was tardy and noticeably absent in enforcement. Now some rumours of LTA staff holding shares in MRT and benefitting from them have started. Alleging undue influence, unethical relationships (not sexual in nature, mind you) and bad engineering decisions.
Many years ago an opposition leader was asked if he was seen, holding the hands of a lady, not his wife, and crossing the road. The media exploited it to suggest further impropriety. Such a thing can only happen in Singapore. Have any of us not been guilty of doing that? Singapore also Boleh.
Correct me if I am wrong, but in this SHC website, due to the preponderence of women, men are usually portrayed, alleged to be horny and lustful.
Very few people write about how women are attracted to some men, and why. While we may speculate who and why, it is largely unwritten behaviour, as if the truth is painful to know.
In some societies, this can be argued as entrapment.
So while we observe and exchange views, we should remind ourselves not to be judgemental, and clinical and objective in our analysis. Otherwise it can get uglier.
Thanks to those of you who send me pictures of Wonder woman. If the pictures a correct, she is quite ordinary. So it must be her ‘oozing pheromone.
Now I want a smell of this thing call pheromone, just for taste.
Wendy..help.
Wah Tian Soo!!
Is it confirmed? Dubber confirmeded? I think 80% of the internet community is trawling for her pix. Yours dubber confirmeded?
After reading the comments of this post, found somethings quite interesting including:
– Basic ANIMAL INSTINCT
– Love without Sex is a Shame, Sex without Love is a Game or
– Sex w/o Love is a Shame, Love without sex is a pity
Want to share some of my idea on them:
Can I said the basic animal instinct is “to get SATISFACTION”? When we get satisfaction, we also get happiness. So my definition of basic animal instinct is “Be Happy”.
For creatures other than human being, their satisfactions can be quite simple and basic – eat when hungry, drink when thirsty, have sex when encounter attraction and excitement etc, etc.
Our human being is more complicated. Some management theory describe the satisfactions of the human being as a triangle with 7 layer (is it 7? not sure). The base layer is all the basic needs and the top one is the self-esteem.
When we fulfill the need of one layer, we will get satisfaction for some period, then, we will feel unsatisfied and try to move to the upper layer. Some can go up to the top but some will stuck in some layer and stay there.
I consider sex should belong to the lowest layer of satisfaction, it is a need (just like hungry and thirsty), it can give us excitement, but the happiness we can get from it is short lived – few minutes of simple harmonic motion (hey, can it real be few minutes long, superman?)
Love should be in higher layer, it give us longer and bigger happiness
Actually, sometimes sex is not a must (don’t like hungry and thirsty), if you are in higher layer. For example, if a couple can maintain the relationship till very old, they cannot sex, but sure there is love. Another example is if two athletes they both indulge in cycling, they might prefer cycling to sex.
So I don’t agree – Love without Sex is a Shame, Sex without Love is a Game
and agree – Sex w/o Love is a Shame, Love without sex may be a little bit pity
AndrewY
I think being a HongKonger, understanding Love and Sex should be very easy because it is like the good bowl Wan Ton Mien.
Love w/o Sex, is like having Wan Ton Mien without the Wan Ton and Char Siew. It can fill you up but ‘No shiok’.
Sex w/o Love, is like having only the Wan Ton and Char Siew in the bowl. It is very ‘shiok’ but not enough. So we eat different bowls and from any bowl until we get into trouble.
Hi Andrew
Don’t know about the management theory but it sounds very much like Maslow’s hierarchy of needs; a theory in psychology with 5 levels and physiological needs (including sex) as the base -first level.
Yes, love and belonging is higher up on the third level.
Hi TS
HK wonton noodles do not have char siew.
So now you only have wonton in ‘sex without love’. Still pleasurable?
Also, you can order only wonton without the noodles. Wonder what it says (sex-wise) about people who order this?
LOVE without SEX is a SHAME
SEX without LOVE is a GAME
LOVE without SEX is a GAME
SEX without LOVE is a SHAME
Haha…confusing isn’t it?
Ponder carefully and I think every statement is correct. However it applies to us in different stages of our life, i.e. age and accountablity.
Heard of vegetarian wan-ton? Yummy.
Do we see what we think or think what we see? Ponder again !
OOOpppssssssss…that was very prompt. SORRY.
Somebody just text me.
Re #35 above
it should be “ability and accountablity” not age
Strangelove
Strange highs and strange lows
Strangelove
That’s how my love goes
Strangelove
Ooooo…. A thousand apologies, Gentlemen, for my indiscretion.. for the innuendo which is not my intention. Got carried away with this “animal instinct” thing – really don’t mean to cast any aspersions on the guys. Ahem, should just sit back and enjoy the logical discussions. Thanks for the abundant food for thought.
Hi Geraldine (my HK friend)
Yes, the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is what I want to mention. You are really ??, can remember the details. I come across this about 30 years ago, not much in mind liao.
Now on a trip, may be (not sure) will visit HK at the end of the trip. Can call you to give me a treat if I am there? haha.
TS (my respected wise IT man)
Seems that you are an at least 90% IT man, and can connect everything (such as the wonton noodle) to IT.
Geraldine is right, HK wonton noodles do not have char siew and is in soup form
There are two way to serve a wonton noodle – put the wonton over the noodle or cover all the wonton with noodle, only noodle is seen when served. The latter is the original and better way to serve a wonton noodle.
How about we visit HK this year, and let Geraldine guide us to the best wonton noodle in HK?
It all started by TS’s reflection on the drama of two high ranking government officers which has stirred up quite a scandal in a rather mundane Singapore domain.
Subsequently, within SHC, the thread has evolved and has invited 39 comments in which everyone tries to project his/her views on men, women, sex and to touch a little bit on something more intellectual. Geraldine has mentioned the concept of hierachy of needs introduced by Maslow who was a psychologist.
In #39 Andrew has suggested that we visit HK this year and let Geraldine be our guide. I hope he is serious about it.
Hi Andrew (my Sg fren)
Would certainly love to meet up if you are here. I’ll be back in Sg next week, though, so we can catch up over there should we miss each other here.
Hi Robert
Having wonton noodles and discussing Maslow’s theory sound interesting.
THE SHC forum site has matured.
Increasingly we see better exchange of information, in a cordial and respectful manner. Opinions and views are down to earth and intelligent, albeit not necessarily in congruence with everybody. This is healthy and is what a forum site is all about.
More importantly, there is an air of care and concern for fellow members. I have read heartrending comments in “I had a major depression…”, “Rise in demand for elder sitters” and “But seriously…are you serious?”; to name a few. “Just Wondering” really have people wondering aloud on a hot current affair.
It is often difficult to balance between factual and facetious or sensible and sensitive. After all, many of us (including me)are still struggling with English. Do not let this deter you. In my opinion, so long as we don’t resort to personal insults and name-calling, we should write unreservedly. There are some among us who had written in “not-so-perfect” English but we understand and appreciate their heartfelt messages nonetheless. Let’s write – don’t be shy – and bring this site to a higher level in terms of the heart and mind.
Best Regards.
Hi Daniel,
Just say Tim Liu now not here. We all understand. Save you a lot of words.
Hi Geraldine,
Welcome back. Somehow when you say ‘wonton noodles’, it sounds different. Why eh?
Thanks, Charles, for welcoming me back.
I have no idea why it sounds different when I say wonton noodles. This is in writing, wait till I say these words to you in person. Kekekekee.
You made me laugh out loud after reading your comment to Daniel. HAHAHAHHAA………be nice, dear, afterall, he is right about being cordial and respectful; something I like, too.
I also like this ‘Let’s write – don’t be shy – and bring this site to a higher level in terms of the heart and mind.’ Tops!
Still giggling over your comment to him.
Haha..Charles. There is a Chinese saying, “One needle sees blood”. Thats your style. I prefer the wondering element – after all, this post is titled, “Just Wondering”.
Geraldine – thanks for your kind remarks. I always welcome people who call a spade a spade. Beats beating around the bush. Anybody who writes lengthy stuff will know it is necessary sometimes to beat around the bush. Tiong Bahru Plaza has a cheap and good porridge buffet offer – only S$8 all in. If you in Sg, shall we? Charles?
Tim Liu keep his promise, no longer appeared in this site and SHC activities (no matter what he did before, I regard him as a real guy even you call him ???), why someone still cannot put him down, is this called “a cordial and respectful manners”? it necessary? just wondering?????!!!!!!
Hi Geraldine,
I think there is some Chinese poem about how wontons are an epicurean delight, like clouds floating in the sky? But an uneducated person like me can only ponder over it.
Yes welcome back and am sure someone will arrange something or other.
Hi Daniel, I think you are mistaken when you say I like to see blood. I am not interested in spilling blood or playing games. Perhaps someone should tell me that Tim Liu is off limits or ‘out of bounds’. I can understand that.
Hi Andrew, I am sorry you found my comment about Tim Liu disturbing. Btw, I am uneducated in Chinese, so it cannot be me that called him those 3 characters you wrote, whatever it means. I don’t remember you cautioning Tim when he made fun of SHC ladies and men before.
Just to let you know, my comment about Tim, since he left, was not the first. There was a similar comment made, about Tim not being here now,….and that we had some peace, I think. I don’t remember you jumping in to support your friend then. So why now? Is it just discrimination? Perhaps, perhaps not. Perhaps we should just leave it like it is.
Perhaps you think I am ‘kicking a man when he is down’. I agree that would be a cowardly thing to do. So would you agree that his remarks about Andrew Kuan, when he left, were also cowardly? Not to mention cruel.
But this is a public site and you are entitled to your own opinion about Tim et al. Nobody can disagree with your opinion, neither should they or I. But in understanding each other better, you might want to tell us about Tim’s appeal. There are many ladies here who still miss him, I am sure. But that is an emotive response.
I have many friends in SHC who think highly of Tim, despite the gulf in opinion, we are still friends. And I would like to think you are one of them. We disagree on Tim, but we don’t argue over it. That would be pointless. But I am allowed to express my opinion, as you are similarly entitled to yours. It does not make us less cordial and respectful. Unless of course you intend to elevate him to a status of a deity.
I hope you will read my comments carefully, because I mean no disrespect to you. But I cannot agree with you when you elevate a person who is mean and bullying.
Hi Daniel
It would be nice to meet up with you at this venue. I have been there once so I know how to get there. Just give me the restaurant name and floor.
I take it we are doing lunch? Time and date? Can’t make it on Feb 10, 11, 12, 13 and 15.
Please drop me a line at geraldineting@yahoo.com and leave your cell contact.
Thanks!
Hi Charles
You asked me to read your comments carefully, so I did it. I found you have raised a few questions, and I would like to reply you clearly here:
Is Tim my friend?
I am not a friendly guy. I think when I make a friend, I should have some responsibilities to him/her. Unluckily, I am a very lazy guy, so I cannot like the others have many friends. Actually, I refuse to have friend due to my laziness and selfishness. My friends in SHC can be counted with the fingers of one hand (including one I regard she is my friend recently). There are many members I like in SHC, I just cannot regard them as friends. Is this also a kind of mental illness?
Tim sure is not my friend.
Do I like Tim?
At the early day in SHC, I loathe Tim when I saw his writing to the ladies. Later, I found that I don’t have the right to judge him as most of the ladies like what he written, it is none of my business
Of course, he also wrote nasty comments to against the others. What I think is that when a dog bark at you, you can:
– Ignore it and walk away, or
– Bark it back, or
– Get a stick to hit it
What I would do is walk away. Not coward, just don’t want to act like a dog. Unless the dog bark at my friend and my friend don’t know how to handle, then I will get a stick hit the dog (my responsibility). I did this once to Tim.
I don’t like or dislike Tim
Why I speak for Tim this time?
No one can judge you whether you are a coward when you “kicking a man when he is down”. It can only be judged by yourself.
What Tim’s remarks about Andrew Kuan, when he left I don’t know. But if a dog bark, do we have to follow it to bark?
Actually, I do not speak for Tim. What I want to say is as he already keeps his promise, why we don’t put him down and let him fade out in SHC. Why we still have to remind the others of him?
My thinking is: “to put someone we don’t like in our mind is meaningless and make yourself unhappy, we should forget them as soon as possible.
The above is the best answers I could figure out, hope can meet your need and make you get some satisfaction.
Cannot be friend with you, but also don’t want to be enemy.
Dear Charles,
It’s been a joyfull bliss reading your smooth flowing freedom of expressions.
As you have not infringed on the stated taboos, I don’t see who the fook have the right to tell you what to say & how to say it. It’s just a load of crap making a moutain out of a mole hill hahahaha.
Talking about crap, hope to be included for that lunch hehe
Re – #50
A MAD DOG is barking at my friends, including the one down and out.
I am looking for a BIG STICK to chase him back to where he came from.
Sorry folks I have to resort to name-calling but that imported undernourished creature did it first. He reminds me of the Beijing professor who called THEM DOGS.
Cool down gentlemen. This thread is about Adultery, Love and Sex only.
This forum is about making friends. Please stay with it.
Life is short, if you get angry often it becomes shorter.
Yes, TS, let’s stick to A, L and S only. No sense in ‘glorifying’ a certain thing.
Making friends is our priority here.
Anymore scandals/headlines?
Hi Geraldine #49
Thank you. I hv sent an email to you.
and #54 – agreed with you and T.S.
Always better to hv one more friend
I must add that in real life, nobody is absolutely good or bad – unlike those in the silly TV dramas and movies.
A L S ? hmmmm….
Hi Daniel
I have just checked my email upon getting this message but can’t find your email. Did you send to the right address? Anxiously waiting.
Yes, nobody is absolutely good but as for bad…..again, I beg to differ. Can’t share here or anywhere else, so.
As for A L S, I wanted to suggest that TS or anyone here to add another topic in the midst but thought about the faint-hearted and changed my mind although it will excite Terence very much.
Add another topic as in I have something in mind to add….
Hi Participants of this topic on “Just Wondering”,
Some of you have sms’d and asked me why I do not try to stop the conversations of some members on this topic. For the info of the general membership, in principle, I do not attempt to stop any comments, as long as “the comments or Posts do not fall within the taboos of SHC”. I have to admit that I do not have the resources to handle such a role. However, this said, I am very open to anyone who would like to take up the role of moderator. Any body likes to raise his/her hand?
This forum is for all SHC members to use and communicate with one another. Please respect one another for their comments, ideas and view points. At the moment, Fairy Godmother is still having her winter holidays. She called to say she fractured her leg during an ice-skiing session, so she has taken a few weeks hospitalisation leave. Time to find a replacement. What a way to enjoy the holidays?
Terence Seah
Hi Geraldine : I did send an email to you, twice. I received your email and duly replied. Could it be Yahoo has what Hotmail called Junk Mail and directed my mail to that box ? Not convenient to leave my mobile voice number here.
Terence – Indeed you should not curtail any expression of comments and opinions however absurd it may be. Viewers at large will be the better judge. However, name-calling is something you should not condone, esp degrading labels. Thanks.
Hi Daniel
Just checked and yes, found your resend email in the Spam box. Mystery solved.
Good grief, why would Y redirected it to Spam when the real spammers are sent to the inbox instead?
Anyways, have received your reply from my email to you.
Please check and reply.