RELATIONSHIP ADVISOR

This is meant for members to seek advice on relationship,friendship and even parent/child problems.While I do not claim to be Mr KNOW-ALL on every subject I have been analysed by the DISC system as being equitable ,fair and objective and  a good problem solver(in real life good at solving other people’s problems but not my own problems).I am not a qualified phsychologist but I do have good old COMMONSENSE to steer me through the minefields of different opinions and solutions.

 I may not be the best man for this job even though my buddy TIM voted me the champion writer(biased opinion since he is my buddy…blush ,blush) regarding the Tan Chin Boon debacle but I actually respected  and agrred that Charles Chua’s observations about polarisation into 2 camps was particularly succinct and spot on.Although I do not agree with his conclusion that the initiator is laughing at us at the ruckus he has made.In the words of Ronald Koh …right or wrong that is the beauty of SHC.While Charles Chua and myself do not agree on everything but at least we agree on the more important things and like TIM(we don’t always agree) we continue to  be mature about it and respect each other despite our opinions.

Perhaps my harsh criticism of the over the top responses may not be entirely(most were and deservedly spanked verbally) correct for all but for some  though harsh and biased may have been appropriate in that context with the benefit of hinsdsight and reflection.In the end I think both Charles and myself were wrong in our conclusions…I said he would disappear if he did not apologise and Charles on the laughing at the ruckus part.If I am not mistaken although he was a noshow in the forum by 24 Aug and I was disappointed he did not respond further in at least a limited apology that he is still attending functions with the support of some members(can anybody confirm?)

I have been fooling around and having FUN  with supposedly gambling(investment if you win consistently and definitely more productive returns than TOTO and 4D if you have the expertise.Tim I have a proposal for you… tip 4D consistently at least in theory on the forum and bet on your lucky numbers and see who wins more or looses less in the long run…hello must tip before draw ,OK?).In this post I would like to share serious workable advice and solutions to personal problems.

This is how this post should work:

1) somebody poses a problem(if you are shy you can also present it as a friend’s problem)

2) I give advice and offer a possible solution

3) other members(jury) offer their inputs and advice

4)Review and I will give final advice. Either I shift my opinion  slightly or entirely(not likely)to incorporate these inputs or if I disagree than I have to state why.

5) Initiator of the query has the option to comment and let us know whether he/she is taking the advice with a pinch of salt or implementing  it.Over time report back and review whether it has worked or otherwise

Remember if criticisms are shot like arrows (even at me) than we should all remain COOL and not take it personally for the sake and interests of our fellow members.Do not take this post too (hot under the collar or steam between the ears)or indulge in name calling. or 4 letter words.(no hints or codes also)Attaching a label or tag after backing up your point with reasoning should be the order of the day.

100 thoughts on “RELATIONSHIP ADVISOR”

  1. “….I have been analysed by the DISC system as being equitable ,fair and objective and a good problem solver(in real life good at solving other people’s problems but not my own problems)”.

    Someone must hv put you on the spining disc for you to make such a giddy statement. You hv saddled us with so many problems in yr regurgitations and yr long windedness so long that after saying bye to yr rumblings and then take a lesisurely ramble round the world, on my return, I’ll still see you talking.

    Like that, yr counselling will add one big big problem to people without a problem.

    Anyhow, I will let you take centrestage and see how you would solve others problems with aplomb……..or you get bombed.

  2. Hi PatrickK,

    I have got something to ask of you. Can you explain in less than 10 lines what is it you want to say in “Relationship Advisor”? Please use only the words you have in the Post. If you can do so, we shall give you a big clap.

    Terence Seah

  3. Sengh offers you a big clap but I shall better his incentive……………I will give you a cap even the French love, so big that you can use it as a sleeping bag for yr viet tour………………and where you can alsoconduct yr counselling in privacy.

  4. Alamak, after a day, butty, you still got no biz huh? Friend friend so must give you some biz. Here it comes……….

    I had a gf. She loved me a lot and was ver possessive so much so, she said, no ogle women. Where’s the problem so I complied. Then, cant look at women. Still can do that so ok lor. And then, cant see women. How to?

    Now, pls tell me PIMP (Perpetually Into Many Problems), how shall I handle it?

  5. Hi Tim,

    cannot ogle cannot look cannot see…. I think is ‘shen pu ru shi’ for u ..rather choose to hang urself at the tree outside scorebot hor .. hahahaha

    as for my personal view, cant control man in this way….wont work la…. ur gf might as well lock u in the cage or make u blind …hehehe ….

    How shall I handle it? make her become a past tense lor….hahaha

  6. ya so poor thing…no biz… since u r so attention and biz deprived let me give you some exercises to flex that brain of yours..and show us what u got..

    Ex1 : how do u know whether a guy is sincere in the pursuit of a relationship?

    Ex2 : how do u spot a buaya ?

    Ex3 : Will a man make a good husband if he is too attached to his mother ?

    Ex4 : How much compromise (in %) does a man or woman need to make in a relationship but still retain their identity.

    Waiting eagerly for your ‘great’ advice…

    Anyone else is also welcome to give your ‘advice’…

  7. Hi Tim Liu #4

    I understand yr gf’s possessiveness. What she is trying to imply is your sole and full attention on her WHENEVER you are with her. You must have done something that makes her feel second-best.

    However to be more discreet, you may still get to ogle, look or see other women(its man’s instinct) when you are alone or with yr buddies but do not encourage anything beyond than that if you are seriously with your gf.

  8. Good to note that lasses here do empathise with men that ogling is men’s instinct but she saw it as distinct(ive) of me and of no other men. I loved her very much so I waited………1, 2, 3 years and perhaps it’s time to move on.

    Heee, Patrick, where is the great PIMP? He’s busy checking and sniffing horse backsides. As Dan-C observed in another thread, today’s Friday and he has to know whether any horse is suffering from constipation. See, even Bolts wont run so fast if he’s constipated so………..

  9. Dear Mr P-Khoo

    Wah lao…if I have to wait so long for your advise hor, I would have committed suicide oredi….so as Mr Trump says ‘YOU’RE FIRED !!!

  10. Haha, Maggie, wkend just ended so Patrick-K is either busy padding himself from hits raining on his head ofr being a terrible poundit, or patting his own back for a good raid at the betting shops. I’ll give my take on yr qns meanwhile.

    Ex1 : how do u know whether a guy is sincere in the pursuit of a relationship? Ans : he is if he’s earlier than you on the first and second dates; he’s not if he eats the whole box of dates and then passes you the box to throw away.

    Ex2 : how do u spot a buaya ? Ans : When he’s down on all 4 or tries to convince you that he’ll do that readily.

    Ex3 : Will a man make a good husband if he is too attached to his mother ? Ans : No issue, you shd outlast his mother unless you & his mother are abt the same age……….then you’re bound to lose out to his mother.

    Ex4 : How much compromise (in %) does a man or woman need to make in a relationship but still retain their identity. Ans : Work out a timetable – 1,3,5 he’s to give in and 2,4, 6 you listen to him. On Sunday, each to go for SHC activities pretending not to know each other (remember what TCB said in this form?)

  11. Hey Tim…your answers are as usual up to mark ie funny haha…think you should be ‘UNCLE AGONY’ instead of Mr P-khoo la..you are definitely more prompt in answering and prob saving more lives than him !!…With him as advisor, I think we are in more agony than before we write to him for advice !!!

    Oi Mr Khoo…..you still have not crawled out of the horses’ a??? Wake up from sleeping in the hay !! Horses are up and running and so should you….!!! giddup giddup…hi ho silver !!!

  12. Hey Mr Khoo

    Three quarter of the day has passed and you are still khooning!? Alright have here one question to wake you up. Here it goes…. does age really matters in a relationship when the gal is older than the guy by:-
    1) 5 years?
    2) 10 years?
    3) 15 years?

    Come on if you still want business, wake up and start running…

  13. Heheee, Maggie and Stella, ah Khool was busy counselling the equine type yesterday into the nite but at lunch in the hibiscus room, kranji, I heard some groaning from the stable. It sounded like him…..maybe, he’s doing stud duties having convinced the mares & fillies that his genes are the best……at least, his progeny which talks and talks may so irk other competitors that they will lose all hearts to win any race.

  14. Th.e Quack Doctor is back and I must thank the official SHC Court Jester keeping you Guys suitably entertained (even I was tickled right up to my inky pinky toes)while I was indisposed with last Saturday’s do at the ACM(museum).
    Before I attend to my patients(eager beavers) I must 1st reply to the Big Bossman alias Head Honcho alias Chief Sitting Bull,alias Sengh.See lah used up 4 lines already!

    The purpose of this column is to show members that there is an alternative solution,path,direction to the current situation they find themselves in.If they are in a dilemna and trying to rationalise a difficult and confusing personal problem I can perhaps find an objective view point so they can “see” things in a better light and if their perspective is is biased or flawed(eg without even having to say sorry people even find it hard to admit they made a mistake …even if it is small or in the case of TBC rather large.Worse still they defensively claim that they are in the right!)

    This forum will give all members free rein to share their opinions(especially Tim) and perhaps see things a bit wiser.

  15. Ref #4 Tim Liu,

    A possessive Girl Friend(GF) truly loves you but cannot see beyond her basic insecurity and lack of confidence and we Men don’t help the situation by doing things wrongly from the start.

    During the early days of courtship both of you practically want to see each other everyday but the man slows down the frequency of meeting after he has conquered(the thrill is in the chase…forbidden fruits taste sweeter and all the usual male ego cliches).So I would suggest to start with see each other 2-4(maximum 4 on the average)times per week and maintain this throughout until you get married(if you get that far).Give each other space to go out with people of the same sex(stag nite,drinking nite or EPL nite and the equivalent for ladies) so that you are not too dependent on each other.To give her confidence dont go out everyday even if u want to during those early courtship days.You could allay her fears and worries by having a telephone date,SKYPE date,video cam date on the web,exchange lovey dovey emails or SMSs even while both of you are at home.

    Another long term solution is build up her self confidence
    by complimenting her and notice things that are different about her…new hairstyle,different make up or lipstick(you can tease her ans say oh that lipstick tastes pretty good),new dress or new shoes.Encourage her to upgrade herself in areas that she genuinely needs help enrol in grooming course,make-up course(the best),Phonetics Course(maybe an English course if her English is weak or if she is a foreigner),dancing class,swimming class,self development classes or Toastmasters Club(for speech delivery),cooking class etc.If budget is a problem for her offer to pay a portion of the fees or half if you can spare the cash especially if you are in the steady stage.It will give her confidence if you show a direct interest in her persoanal advancement and development as it shows you care.

    A possesive lady needs a lot of praise and compliments so be ready to give the attention she needs by being sensitive(in this context responsive) to her needs.Be very careful if she suggests something…you don’t have to spoil her by saying yes all the time for fear of offending her and possibly making her cry.What you need to do is to say no with a reason if you have one and make it up to her and surprise(believe me ladies do like surprises even though sometimes they may pretend they don’t know its coming…hope I don’t get shot by the IRON Ladies in SHC for this observation…please note keyword sometimes…therfore it does’nt apply to all ladies) her with the same type of event or gift that she wanted originally.

    Be forthcoming and volunteer information so that she does not get nervous and anxious when you don’t see her on a particular date and explain why.A phone call after the event might help but do not do it all the time as a form of reporting…and spoil her.

    Back to your key problem on ogling…try to restrain yourself if you can and keep it to a minimum(cannot avoid entirely …if not must be a enuch).The best way to deal with the problem is to share(not too often) this “passion”
    (if u can’t beat them…then join them) with her and invite her to ogle with you and instead of focusing on the target’s physical attributes choose to focus on her clothing,shoes,make up,eye lashes etcYou can comment I bet this style looks good on you.Once in a while state the obvious and call a spade a spade n zero in on physical aspects but do it very sparingly and judge from her reaction if need to tone down frequency.Teach her to ogle at cute and handsome men as well and sometimes you should take the lead and point out to her and share.After all this ogling is going on give her a peck(on the cheek if you are not demonstrative in public ,a hug , or just put your hand round her waist or shoulder or caress an appropiate part of her (eg hands) just to tell her or better still look at her directly into her eyes and reassure that she is the only one for you despite all the fishes in the ocean. For TIm my direct advice is to nibble her ear(remember TIM-BARK-TOO…barking dogs don’t bite …we just nibble…Ha Ha Ha…hope u like this one despite the dog analogy…sheer co -incidence)

    A reminder if you can try to improve her or cool her possesiveness by building up her self-confidence.If she does not improve despite all your efforts…ask yourself …Can I live with this for the rest of my life facing the 3rd degree for everything I do.After a while it can become tedious and believe me it will not get better after marraige but will inevitably get worse.
    Review your own feelings and decide early to stay or split.If you decide to split do it gradually and get help from her close friends and close relatives that you are weaning her off from you slowly because u care for her as a friend and don’t want to see anything untoward(breakdown,suicide) happening to her.Explain to them that you are doing it as not because you have another girlfriend but because u feel u are incompatible.If they understand you they will be a great help to u so u can walk off quietly in the sunset with memory of the happiness you shared just being friends.If she can forgive u ,encourage her to join SHC but if u are comfortable with the idea.But if u feel otherwise than encourage her close friends or relatives to bring her out and introduce new friends to her so that she can move on with her life.(don’t shit in same backyard).

    I hope this helps.I hope Terence will not object to the lengthy reply as hopefully SHC members will find it useful in understanding each other (both sexes) better.Fellow members I trust I have not appeared chauvanistic or condescending to all the ladies in SHC as I know relatioships can be a sensitive issue.My apologies to any lady in SHC who might happen to be possessive or have suffered trauma regarding this issue but I truly hope this will help you understand yourselves better and chart a new course in your lives.

  16. My dear Patrick Khoo,

    Don’t you think it is beyond us to even suggest that anyone one of us need help in these area? Most of us have almost past the half a century mark!

    We have been through it all, brother, no need to suck our thumbs again, no need to re-educate ourselves. Love, sex, attraction and hatred and what’s not are best discuss in a close context and not on the open post!

    Courting and wooing are long gone and forgotten, let’s it stayed buried. What’s she wear or what make-up she put on, well who’s care!

    Why don’t you share on how to grow old gracefully and how to prepare ourselves for lives in the twilight years. It’s a little too late to try to live it all over again!

    Tim is at it again, feigning ignorance and igniting you to give us a long overdrawn discourse on the art of mating!

    Dan

  17. Ref #16 Danz Hwang
    You may be wise in the ways of the world but even yourself,myself and Tim are not infallible from making mistakes.There may be members who do need help to find better solutions(2nd or 3rd opinions) to their current problems real or otherwise.In the process fellow members can improve their outlook on life and get to know the people around them and understand them better as we grow old together.

    If the advice I give is wrong it may lead to dire consequences for parties concerned but if you happen to disagree with any part of my discourse please state which part u do not agree with me and tell us why.This is not a RA movie that needs to be censored or buried like a an Egyptian mummy .As long as people do not take it personally I am wiiling to play along with Tim ,Maggie and Stella and give them serious answers hopefully with a dash of humour.

    Even As in Ref #5 Jane Wong
    I can understand and respect her point of view as I am inclined towards her point of view but the only difference I will give it time by telling the GF my discomfort and hopefully there is an improvement.I am fairly sure that even as we disagree Jane will still respect my view even if we agree to disagree and believe in the principle of “to each his own” I have learnt that life is not just black or white or right or wrong but there are different shades of grey(not counting the colours as yet).

    Sad to say been through it all “does not mean that your way was or is the correct way

    Goodness even you and I have made mistakes in our past relationships but hopefully both of us will mature and grow( improve in behaviour) even as we grow old together.Surely even you and I cannot claim to know everything and do the right thing all the time or call ourselves perfect.Through this column I will review my own opinion and try to see the logic if put forth of a different point of view and perhaps merge and benchmark to a new view point.It does not matter if it is 1 percent or 80 percent(not so easily swayed unless evidence is overwhelming).I would be a better person for having an enlightened view point or a new perspective which I may not have seen before.

    Danz, are you trying to tell me that at our ages courting and wooing are long gone and forgotten and should be buried.Sadly I beg to differ I think because we are older and more cynical about life we should be more sensitive to our potential partner’s needs and be more understanding and tolerant towards each other.As we grow older courting will be less superficial and more practical including discarding silly tactics like opening of car doors(I don’t begrudge husbands who still do it happily…what I am against is that one does it during courtship days but don’t bother to do it later after getting married).

    When a couple married or otherwise stops bothering about what she/he wears or stop looking after their looks completely than I fear the relationship is getting stale and dull and will lack extra spark and oomph that will get them through difficult times.You may not have choosen your GF entirely for her looks but imagine she neglects herself by having pimples and doesn’t bother to do anything to cure her acne problem or you balloon your body weight totally out of control without making an effort to try to be pleasantly plump(putting on weight is inevitable with old age)instead of overly fat bloated and dumpy.If you love each other u should care how you look and should endeavour(can’t be perfect)to be as presentable as you can within reason and avoid being shabbily dressed(embarassment to both yourself and your partner)

    Relationships and marraiges fail or deteriorate because indvidual partners change drastically …like fetching the other half to work during courtship and early days of marraige but stop doing so and take each other for granted.Change is inevitable but the key question is how much change?.I feel up to 25%(roughly) is OK but to change 50% leads to problems or worse still a 100% U – Turn.Lack of communication and taking each other for granted,lack of spark in a boring relationship will eventually lead to a parting of ways.

    Terence has the veto vote and until he casts it himself I say to you …let the Jury(SHC community) decide.You may be a senior member who introduced me to SHC so your opinion carries greater weight but for this time I have a different opinion.Will the jury please cast their votes (please state your reasons) without getting polarised and emotional about it? Danz your last word surely you meant “courting” and not “mating”(if I was talking about “mating” I would have written about the various Kama Sutra positions which of course is not appropriate for this forum)

    Tim I sure would like to hear your views.Do you plead guilty to the charge of “feigning ignorance”.

    Yours… ever …the Imperfect Perfectionist

  18. Oi Mr Khoo….cannot stand it anymore…for goodness sake…pls pls pls have 2 spaces after your full stop. Which kuching kurap school you from huh?

    After a 2 day hibernation, you decided to come out of the woodwork with verbal diarrhoea !!!

    So I assume you’ve been happily married for years, seeing that you’re such an expert on relationship? Your wife must be the happiest woman in the world, seeing how you can please her and all. Should we change your title to LOVE GURU ….(anybody can tell me how to type vomit ??) like arrggh…hehe

  19. Hey Mr Kool…

    think I have been very mean to you when you volunteer your kind services..so my apologies at taking a shot at you. Hope I have not hurt your feelings that you need to consult your buddy, Timmy…for healing. Tim pls help your buddy recover from the onslaught..

    Over and out..

  20. First, let me reply to Stella. Age isnt an issue if there’s love not only at the moment of falling in love but which subsists till death do they part.

    We all know that love is built around trust, compatibility and communication but sometimes, a few men do get “sien” seeing the same face everytime they open their eyes, and her face getting older by the day bcos she’s older. And so age does matter, and it matters a lot, if her “he” falls within this category who altho he understands what love is, still cant tahan the same face…………esp sans make-up.

    Butty, altho in #15 you named me as its reader, in all seriouness, do you think I’d read it? Even if it contains the most cardinal of Heaven and Earth’s canons & truths, I’d still hv gone mad after reading 15 lines.

    As far as Dan-H’s surmise @ #16 that I was feigning ignorance, well, he showed he is a novice to say that.

    All my life I had been lucky to have gals doting on me, pampering me so much so that I was the one taking and not giving. Till I met her, and I started giving for the 1st time. Her love for me was never in question and so was her sense of insecurity. And so sadly, it has come to pass……….

    I am glad that Patrick-K starts a thread like this. Unlike TCB’s which stirred up a few more ruckus, rankles than he liked, Patrick is here to play the self-taught love bomoh. With his ludicrous, quixotic take on r/s, it’s refreshing for a forum which can turn insipid with heavy dosages of “pls sign me in, I am coming, pls join my dog & me for a walk, new danz class, angpow for the 1st 10 signing up……..”

    Altho, the long-winded him is so easily seen, folks will given time, also discover the charm and talent in this man…….if and only if you can survive from his talking you into madness………….

  21. Hi Tim Liu

    Thank you for your reply on behalf of the one who is still knooning at this time. I guess it all depends on how strong the love is. Well if the men can get ‘sien’ so do the women.

    How come I don’t get to hear from the horses’ mouth? Advisor Khoo, whats your take, huh?

  22. Haha, Maggie, dont worry lah, that man has grown up and he can take gibes, jibes, bites and swipes so long as he can bribe his horses into running to win for him.

    L-O-V-E……….has to mean Love Often Vanishes Easily and so it may make one less of a sentimental jerk if one is devoted to duty, responsibility and discharging his obligations………….

  23. Ref #21 Stella Lee.Like good foreplay I am busy(must make a living trying to plan Vietnam tour now trimmed to 11NOV to 16NOV with only HCMC and Nha Trang) doing it the long winded way (Slow in this context but typical of me…at least I am consistent) but it’s worth waiting for .hopefully with deeper insights.You do sound intriguing and charming company..hope to see u at Ronald’s and lydia’s do on 12/13 Sep at the Changi Bungalow.

    All my chi utilised last night taking care of Brother Tim and Danz.

    Chapter 2 tonight…will attend to Stella and Maggie

    Ref #20 Tim Liu
    All the good stuff made me mushy …lucky I am not a lady …probably get flattened by him with all that flattery.

    OBJECTION to “QUIXOTIC” which indicates unrealistic but in the light of that context mentioned I can’t complain too much.Usually kena tarok(get shot at) so better grab what minor accolades and scraps the effervescent(had to check dictionary to dish out this one) and indomitable Tim can throw my way(like a doggy bone…see for your sake I am now calling myself a dog…compensation for the last doggy joke on you).

    Ref #19 Maggie Teo
    I am glad u responded before I did so I did not have to send you to Mars(not Venus) for your indiscretion so that u can understand us Men better.

  24. Patrick, here is one that can be something for ladies to think about too. The wife is convinced the husband has a mistress or gf and checks everything he does, his call, his emails.etc.
    This goes on for 5 years and the husband tolerated, adjusted and even taught her to play golf so that she had be with him 24/7 except for the time in the loo.
    Everyday is a ritual of customs examination of missing briefs or pieces of clothing before the man can leave the house, and before he reaches the office, a message is left to call home immediately to ensure no detour is made elsewhere. Same process during lunch,to ensure no secret rendervous or delays and also before coming home. A 15 min gap is enough reason for an argument, more than that will be a night of battling of every other past such incidents.

    The man consulted counsellors, psychiatrist and reasoned it could be a stage thru menopause causing insecurity,etc. However all the professional found the woman of sound mind, and she had a handful or explanations to every suggestion tha she may be over reacting. But as the years go by and arguement becomes intolerable and getting physical to fight for the keys to the door, it was time to live separately. IF you cant believe someone when he is with you 24/7 then nothing else can be done to convince her otherwise. Cheers

  25. “A and B are HAPPILY married. Problem arises when A wants to change B into A or vice versa”. Indeed, that’s a very big problem when one spouse tries to convert the other into a homo or a lesbian………….Steven, I think I know you better now, obviouslt still smarting from yr harrowing experience of that sort of conversion.

    “Everyday is a ritual ………. before the man can leave the house, and…reaches the office, a message is left to call home immediately to ensure no detour is made elsewhere…….to ensure no secret rendervous or delays and also before coming home. IF you cant believe someone when he is with you 24/7.”

    Huh, with him away in the office and before coming home, like that got 24/7 meh? Now, who to pity, the man or his wife?

  26. Ref #26
    Reading a spouse emails or SMSs shows a lack of trust and respect no matter how justified or suspicious the the person is.This behaviour if found out should not be repeated.

    As I did say it would get worse after marraige…Just to share were there no tell tale signs to indicate the possibility of this behaviour before committing to marraige?
    If this info can be shared it would help members be more aware of the possibilities and giveaway signs before deciding even to go steady and not less consider marraige!

  27. “……were there no tell tale signs to indicate the possibility of this behaviour before committing to marraige?”

    Come off it, Patrick Don(ning) Quixote, it’s easier to tell that she has no tail than to look for tell-tale signs……gals are too clever to hide what they have, and try to show you what they dont have. Stop eating wanton mee and go find out what wonder bra means……….and only then will you fully understand “now you see, now you dont”.

  28. Hi

    Tim Liu, ” The knows all.”

    …A and B are HAPPILY married. Problem arises when A wants to change B into A or vice versa”.

    Don’t get me wrong. What I meant was a dominant male egoistic hubby who would like his wife to accompany him and follow his interests and hobbies such as golfing,skateboarding,mountain trekking etc which the wife has NO inclination in any of these and prefers to stay at home and plays mahjong with her kakis.

    If this drags on for long term,relationship will be strained.

    And NOThing to do with sex at all.

    Tim, eehh , Why the 1st.thing that ALWAYS appears to you must be SEX ?

    I find you puzzling.

  29. So “A wants to change B into A’ is no sex conversion job but “….a dominant male egoistic hubby who would like his wife to accompany him and follow his interests and hobbies such as golfing,skateboarding,mountain trekking etc….”.

    Unwittingly, your miserly use of words has reaffirmed the truism that stingy is no good…….gals will run far far away from a stingy hubby/bf.

    Btw, the husband in yr illustration – a golfer, skateboarder, trekker – in other words, an allrounder, actually makes a dream hubby for every gal.

    Yes, I’d rather sex comes first for me than tax, or seeing you wear latex………heee.

  30. Hello midnight Khoo

    Noticed you are writing your thoughtful reply to me in the early hours of the day. So pathetic have to work overtime! No need to be so serious lah! All I need is a short para not more than 5 sentences will do. Please have enough rest to regain your chi to answer the others…..take it easy, fellow!

  31. Patrick,

    Scrolling down your very long long-winded message (I could not go on after the 1st 10 lines), I cannot help adding my remark – even though it may puncture your (self-inflated) ego somewhat.

    Advice for the advisor:-

    If you wish to advise.
    Try to be precise try to appear wise.
    Yes, make it concise and write it nice.
    The last thing you want is people bypassing your article and regard it as kenasai.

    Cheers ! Your COKE is ready.

  32. Ref #33 Daniel Chan
    Do my postings irritate you so much that you think that my ego needs self inflation.Granted I am not Mr Humble Pie and neither are you.Yes long winded(not easy for leopard to change its spots…I guess I am trying but not hard enough and perhaps too lazy to edit or precis my various points.

    However I don’t see how long windedness equals self inflated ego.Is there any precise statement,comment,advice that I have given that make you think I am so big headed in my egomaniac problem.Yes I am a confident person in whatever I do dispensing pearls of wisdom in whatever area in my various posts in socccer,horse racing or relationships.I do admit that sometimes my tips and comments my not be spot on but overall I sincerely believe I have not embarrased myself or SHC.I can even concede or relate to the idea that my opinions may not be so correct as some other members like Charles Chua or some of the more moderate SHC ladies who may have assessed for example the TCB debacle more fairly and equitably which after feedback from some of these moderate ladies who related to me in private conversations that taken in conjunction with other TCB’s earlier postings I may review my thinking on the subject.

    For this I say to all SHC members when you discuss things with rationale reasons backing up statements I am not a person with a stubborn self inflated make no mistakes persona who refuses to listen to reason.I will not accept wild name calling like siao,stupid and crazy without a valid reason.

    Resorting to abusive language like “Kenasai” does not help either.If you think all my comments or some of my comments are full of shit(equivalent to your term “kenasai”) or a load of crap feel free to place some sniper fire in my direction(it comes with the territory).

    If you cannot agree(nobody says you must)that’s your perogative.If this is the case you do have a choice, click the X box in the top right corner of your computer or click
    return or reverse arrow in the top left hand corner or shut down your computer.

    Granted your long-winded comment is justifiable(unanimous SHC opinion including myself…have to admit it).I do have that tag among SHC members but how does self inflated ego and kenasai comes in I don’t know.

    Being old friends I understand your comfort level and supremacy in Mandarin but could you oblige ignorant in Mandarin members like us by providing an English translation
    in brackets next to your Chinese words(please note I did not use shit or crap in reference which I could easily have degenerated into.The same goes for Malay words or words in a foreign language like French as well.I hope other SHC members can oblige.Using a foreign language will make postings more colourful and intersting but message will be lost if some members don’t understand what you are talking about.

    Buying me a coke for helping you make money on last friday among other winning(more) and loosing days makes me wonder what an enigma you are.Kenasai and coke do not seem to gel
    …just like slapping a guy and then buy him a coke to ease his pain .Your Ma Hun Pao statement I find confusing and misleading as well…I sent you an email before the races started and even called you personally to recommend strongly that you should play the tip and yet you posted the MHP Mandarin statement.Are you becoming forgetful or senile with old age?To rub salt you are an old friend pre SHC who should know me better!yet you bite(does not mean you should keep quiet when I do something wrong) the hand that feeds you…I am wondering whether I am associating with Dr Jekyl or Mr Hyde,a split personality or a schizo maniac(I am calling you names in retaliation but I am backing up my statemnets regarding your strange behaviour).

  33. Hi PatrickK,

    You definitely are a colorful and provocative writer. However, as previously discussed, please write your comments to within 15 lines.

    Are you coming to the 9Sep monthly gathering? Good for all of us to know who you are. I guess you should also use this opporunity for you to get those interested in your Vietnam trip, meet up and have a discussion.

    Terence Seah

  34. Oui, Pat, relac lah, ah Dan-C’s “knsai” is to end his nursery rhyme in the same rhyme which I personally thought was funny. Knowing you, him, it was certainly not meant to offend. As to whether his treat of a mere coke after winning enough to buy half of Raffles Place, yes, I think you shd squeeze him for more……..I’ll support you on this.

  35. Hahaha!!

    You guys! I quite enjoy your posts… but I must make a supreme effort to read some of them. My failing eyesight, mah! Even Control + + + cannot help!

    Tim #36 If you squeeze him too hard… you know what will happen… “knsai” lah!

  36. Hey guys

    Give that man a break. I think many of you have been hantaming (hitting) him left and right. You may not agree with the things he said but then we should not be too harsh on him.

    I think he just want to inject some humour on the forum and trying to “help” in areas he thinks he is good at (which may sometime turn disastrous).

    I may not have known him for a long time. However, I must add that on the few occasions that we attend similar functions, he has always been the gentleman. Very friendly and helpful.

    He may talk a lot, but he has his good points too.

    Patrick K, dont give up :)

    Warmest Regards
    Caroline Gee

  37. Hi Patrick Khoo @34,

    After what has happened in the Vietnam post, I am still treating you as a friend.

    After the Vietnam debacle, haven’t you HAD enough ?

    Don’t get yourself so “STRESSED OUT” over his humorous rhyme and FOCUSSED your heart and soul how you should also use this opportunity to get those interested in your Vietnam trip, meet up and have a discussion on 9/09/08 ?

    and NOT to be TOO long winded as it will “put off” even your most potential clients.

    ” Sedikit sedikit menjadi Bukit “

  38. Ref #38 Caroline Gee Don’t worry I am still on even keel.Thanks for moral support and balanced view despite criticisms
    Ref#35 Terence Seah
    Will be there on 9th Sep at 4.oopm or earlier.
    Terence I thought 15 line limit applies only to Horse racing and soccer only.This 15 line limit applies to everybody on any subject?
    If I have pearls of widom to dispense on relationships and more than 15 lines can request waiver for a few trial runs and u review again.

    Vietnam tour now revised to 11NOV dep and Return 16NOV to HCMC/Nha Trang.Now waiting for costings and will present on 09SEP.

  39. Pat Pat Pat….

    RELAX my dear friend…i know u will react. It is only normal. My last post said, “The last thing you want is people bypassing your article and regard it as kenasai.” So the word was yet to apply then, but after your retaliation – well – the fact speaks for itself.

    I said you inflated your own ego because you put yourself as “Advisors” to so many things. Who in his right mind dare to call himself an advisor?

    About the word KNS. I call a spade a spade and make no apology about that. The way you write – No spacing after a full stop. No proper punctuation marks. No captial letters. Squeezing words together when they should be separated and separating a sentence when it should not. Isn’t it akin to a fella discharging himself unreservedly after a period of constipation? The mere size of the load will repel anybody who happens to see it – let alone examining the substances contained within. Diarrhoea, as earlier mentioned, is a good equivalent, if you don’t mind.

    As an old friend, I would not like to see you as a clown on stage. However, if you feel good by doing just that, then lets sit back and be entertained.

    Thank Goodness Its Friday again. If anything, I give you some credits in Horse-Racing Advisory. And thats about all.

  40. Dear all, something nice to read.

    True drops of love

    We must not think that our love has to be extraordinary.

    But we do need to love without getting tired.
    How does a lamp burn?

    Through the continuous input of small drops of oil.
    These drops are the small things of daily life:

    faithfulness; small words of kindness;

    a thought for others; our way of being quiet;
    of looking; of speaking; and of acting.

    These are the true drops of love that keep our lives and

    relationships burning like a lively flame.

    – Mother Teresa

    To maintain a good relationship between husband & wife, Parents & child, between friends, sisters & brothers , one need to understand what is LOVE.

    The following are some of my point of view, I was quite reluctant to write but here I am again, its good to share.
    Here it goes:-

    Love is the attachment that result for deeply appreciating another’s goodness.

    Love is true giving, it is care, demonstrating active concern for the receipient’s life and growth, 2nd is responsibility, responding to his/her expressed and unexpressed needs particularly emotional needs, 3rd is respect, the ability to see a person as he or she is.

    Love is the ability & willingness to allow those you care for to be what they choose for themselves without any insistence that they satisfy you.

    I will continue later if I have time, got to go for my course.

    Have a good Day ahead!

  41. Thank you NM Tan for those lovely phrases.

    Let me quote a few lines from a William Shakespeare play:

    “As Caesar loved me, I weep for him;
    as he was fortunate, I rejoice at it; as he was
    valiant, I honour him: but, as he was ambitious, I
    slew him. There is tears for his love; joy for his
    fortune; honour for his valour; and death for his
    ambition. ”

    Was Brutus right in stabbing Caesar?

    “Et tu, Brute! Then fall, Caesar.”

  42. Ref #43 Nancy M. Tan
    Glad to see you putting your thoughts in this post and the love poems as well.It’s good to share wonderful feelings with fellow members.I trust I am half forgiven for my past comments related to TCB and that u don’t take things to heart.

  43. Ref #44 Daniel Chan
    This piece I can appreciate and even applaud even though at my expense but due 7naps post I shall deal with KNS which I find very appropriate for writing style comment including constipation(by the way a little advice for you( and everybody else) do lean forward slightly(jokes aside ask any doctor or nurse – for better bowel movement) but make sure Tim is not behind you as he can’t resist temptaion when anything is offered.

    Would you label Loh Yew Kwong “self inflated ego”‘ just because he gives advice on computers.I respect him although he may not be the best(he did not claim to be).I shall deal with KNS links to self inflated ego and soccer some other time since u respect and have acknowledged and directly benefitted from my punditry skills on horse racing

  44. Hi Daniel Chan2610,

    Nice to see you here.Thanks for your appreciation.
    Thanks for you lovely phrases from William Shakespear,too.

    Well, what do you think about Brutus stabbing Caesar?

    Would like to hear your comments on this.

  45. There is a bit more I would like to add:

    Love is loving someone without expecting anything in return, no judgement, no restrictions, no limitations and no expectations.

    True love is at the roof of our basic nature, love for another human being must be cultivated. It takes time to mature.

    To demonstrate love…….say, ” I LOVE YOU” –outloud–at least once each day to someone you love. There is magic in these 3 little words, saying, ” I LOVE YOU” is the most beautiful gift you can give to your partner.
    Have you said those 3 little words to your Partner?

    Is your love free and unconditional? or is it mixed various needs, conditions and demands from you partner?
    Think about it.

  46. Hi Nancy MJT ,

    …..To demonstrate love…….say, ” I LOVE YOU” –outloud–at least once each day to someone you love. There is magic in these 3 little words, saying, ” I LOVE YOU” is the most beautiful gift you can give to your partner.

    Really unless it is SINCERELY , what if the hubby is saying I LUV U but actually is THINKING of some other woman in mind instead.

    What are your comments then ?

  47. When Brutus met Mutu
    It was curry in his mind, not Caesar
    But this Mutu practised voodoo
    And so Brutus’ b’lls fell under his scissors.

    Now, Long Long Wind meets KnSai
    He says not a word of “hi”
    But expletives sounding like k-n-l-b-c-c-bye
    So no sin if KnSai scolds him sibei pai, go & die.

    The lady of love joins the fray
    In her usual good self, she says “Let’s pray”
    But the warring lords hear it as let’s play
    So all clothes removed, in their hands they flail.

    No pandemonium is complete
    Without Steven taking the lead
    Like a long-legged ballerina he kicks
    Not the best of treats but still wins a credit.

    With so much in her prayer to tell
    Everything has to end up well
    Slowly but surely, they begin to gel
    So, happily no one goes to hell.

  48. Ref #49 Steven Chan
    Saying “I Love you ” all the time may be a bit boring.
    Perhaps using other affectionate words or notice changes in partner’s appearance may help eg new hairstyle,new perfume,new lipstick or giving each other massages may help.

    I recommend a healthy practice:it would require couples to give each other a goodbye kiss when they go to work and maybe even when they come back but Asian culture may find it
    hard to be demonstrative.

    Another way is to surprise each other with cute but inexpensive presents(sometimes can be expensive if budget is comfortable).It is the thought and gesture that counts and not the value.

    My final suggestion is not intrusive phone calls(acceptable if both work environments condusive)but lovey dovey emails or SMSs

    A rich boyfriend in an overseas relationship can make expensive phone calls but as soon as he puts down the phone he might go clubbing and misplace your trust in him.However if he spends the time to send you a nice card(carefully chooses one with lovely words if not articulate ,creative type) or pens thoughtful romantic mushy stuff by letters,emails,SMSs or add ons on greeting cards would mean he sincere.Whether overseas or not a boyfriend or spends time doing this can be regarded as sincere.

    Sorry Stella and Maggie that I jumped queue as I found Steven’s easier to answer.Will reply to both by weekend.

  49. Ref #44 and #50 Daniel Chan and Tim Liu
    I did enjoy the take from you brutes..found it amusing even at my expense…Hail Caesar for scoring on Waikato today.
    (reinforce Daniels point that he acknowledges my punditry skills in this area.

    Ref #42 Daniel Chan and #46.I have already accepted KNS when refering to my writing style but to apply that to my content I do take issue with you.

    I have used terms like quack doctor and I have never called myself a LOVE GURU or expert in relationships.In my post I did say I am not a trained psychologist but using commonsense.Is there any part of my advice that you disagree with? I did say if proven or convinced I am wrong I myself will accept and even consider changing my original view point and accept the advice given by other.

    Advice is a comment or suggestion to be given…if u like it take it…if u dislike it throw it in the dustbin.I created this posting so members can learn from each other and even myself can take advice from people like Caroline,Nancy,Stella,Maggie,Tim,Steven,Charles,Ronald and yourself.So far in this column not a single person(including yourself) has disagreed with any actual advice that I have given(maybe they disagree but are keeping quiet so far).They have justifiably(including yourself)have disagreed with my style of indisciplined delivery.So why are u bitching about my advice with comments like self inflated ego and KNS.Maybe Tim can accept KNS but am I too sensitive when I interprete it as full of shit which I am refering to your comments.

    Must a person be rich(it helps with better credibility to convince people) to give advice on financial matters.Must I be a qualified Doctor or Therapist before I can give advice on relatioships matters and affairs of the heart? By your same line of thought… what are your qualifications to say my advice given is full of bull shit.If my interpretation of KNS is wrong I would like to hear from anybody including Tim if u think I am overreacting or wrong in my understanding of KNS.

    While my soccer advisory is not doing as well as horseracing
    I have credentials of top scoring the entire Newpaper panel of tipsters 3 times (out of 1.5 months)2 seasons ago(if wrong I can be sued) and I have further documentary proof that I tipped the last 4 matches of the last World Cup correctly ,including 3 of the half-time/full time,the zero goals result for the Germany semi final and for the finals I also won on Draw/Draw and Italy to carry the cup after 90 mins.If you or anybody needs to see the evidence let me know and I will try to dig them up to present for inspection either on the 9th at Hans or 12/13Sep at Ronald’s and Lydia’s bungalow at Changi.If anybody can tip better on the forum I would like to hear about it but so far even TCB has not responded.On soccer I did tip you personally that Brazil vs Singapore game that where i recommended to take less goals,As a friend I pushed you and to play Waikato today so you know I have no hard feelings towards you.I even gave u the favourite and winner and the 3rd horse in race 8 today.Frank admisson…sometimes words joined to save lines on 15 line limit imposed.Your sweeping statements and tirade of litany needs to be taken to task and addressed robustly. Still your buddy.Can I call myself a Travel Advisor…surely yes!I stand by my advice given and if anybody thinks it is bullshit or KNS let me know but back it up logically with facts or reasonable statements.

    Yours truly, CHIEF NO BULLSHIT

  50. Penang races 5 to 9 abandoned so i have some time to read and continue with this ruckus. I love it when we hack and whack each other. No hard feelings.

    Mr Pat you are using too much space again. The more bytes you used up in this server, the more repulsive you are. I don’t know about others but I simply don’t and won’t read a long and messy essay.

    My KNS remark stands, as far as your manner of writing is concerned. But now I wish to add a Chinese proverb to describe you our “dear Advisor”. It is in Cantonese,

    “A dying chicken kicking at the wok cover”

    Self-explanatory enough but maybe there is an English equivalent. Can help, Tim? No “saltish wettish” please.

  51. #47

    Hi NM Tan, yah I am here. I stick to Pat Khoo like a leech, wherever he goes; to honour him or to “slew” him, as the case may be.

    On your question about my question,

    “Well, what do you think about Brutus stabbing Caesar?”

    I thought Brutus had done the right thing in exterminating a potential dictator for the sake of his countrymen. Too bad he later became a pawn in the political game.

    On a less gruesome note, I think we should not hesitate to tell our friend his/her shortcomings even though the truth may not sound pleasant. How to say it without hurting your friend’s pride is important. Be prepared to get the typical response, “I so bad meh? You are worse hoh….blah blah blah…..”

    Best regards – hope to meet u at our monthly meeting.

  52. Hi Daniel Chan2610,

    Hahahaha…………..so,how much blood have you sucked from Patrick Khoo? You are humerous!

    Yes indeed, we should not hesitate to tell our friends his/her shortcomings even though it may sound unpleasant but have to put it in a nice way that it does not hurt their feelings is more appropriate and most important.

    It is one of the severest tests of friendship to tell your friend his faults. So to love a man that you cannot bear to see a stain upon him, and to speak painful truth through loving words, that is friendship.

    We all need friends with whom we can speak of our deepest concerns, and who do not fear to speak the truth in love to us.

    Cheers!

  53. Ref #53 Et Brutus alias Daniel Chan

    You still have not addressed the self inflated ego issue in relation to my giving advice on on this post . Are you saying my advice is sub standard or misleading or dangerous.Do you think my ego is so big that I am growing to be a Dictator. by starting this post.Do you wish that I stop behaving like a clown and stop embarassing myself and discontinue giving advice on this post…is that your fervent wish?My replies you now find repulsive …yes I have returned your sniper fire with RPG fire bit I have not used any 4 letter words or shitty stuff “like shit” as you have transalated and have stated my reasons for saying so.

    To summarise I would like to know if you still think my ego is so inflated that you need to deflate it.What are my actual shortcomings that you think need improvement or correction in the words or advice I have given in this post.
    So Et Brutus can I have your kind permission to continue giving advice despite my slow service and response time.

    In the words Of Nancy M Tan I started this post to “share “(Nancy did not say all these words…only the point about sharing)with members my common sense and experience. In return I could also learn when members like Tim and Nancy share their views in return so I myself can benefit from their enlightened views and widen my own perspective on issues , relationships and life.

  54. Hi Patrick

    I read your comments religiously (except those on horse racing) because there are always nuggets of wisdom. Do hope you will continue to violate the 15-line cap. Oops!

    We have not met and I told Dan you sound like a reasonable and interesting person and I wonder how you look like. Hope to meet you one day.

    I also shared with Dan that I have a red soft toy dog on my dresser which has his name “Patrick” on a band round his leg. Now, that’s a digression.

    Joy

  55. Patrick Khoo,

    After the TCB issue, I was quite reluctant to write again in SHC forum, but after my days of reflections, I told myself, I write because I want to share with valuable people who appreciated it, although, there will be critism, remarks and comments, some may not like me but who cares? if its reasonable, we learn from it and become a better person.

    Frankly speaking, I am a sensitive person as I do not do harm , hurt ,pass remarks or critisize people in all my life, partly also because I am dealing with young children and their family members, no choice, I have to be sensitive but when come to delivering certain sensitive issues, I have to put it in a nice way, so that I will not hurt the listener.

    The term KNS, it may have offended you, but as an Advisor on Heart issues, am sure you have come across more sensitive issues,and you have answered them well, so this small little thing of KNS,it should be no big deal at all, why get angry with it, am sure you know Daniel Chan 2610 well, both of you are friends right?

    Listen to Nancy Major Tan,it will go no wrong,forget about this issue, I am sure you will feel happier.

    To TCB’s issue, am lagi marah lebeh awak! Though I am a little lady but I have a big heart, and you a big man should have a bigger heart.

    Life goes on!

    Cheers!

  56. Ref #59 Lily Ho
    In all fairness to Nancy M Tan you sound like the female equivalent of the cynical cryptic and effervescent Tim Liu.I wonder if It is all a front or false bluster so that people don’t bully you.

    I wonder beneath all that beautiful(give credit where credit is due) tough exterior…is there a heart more warm than the evening sun.I think ther is a more humorous side to you but it is struggling to get
    out from all the smokescreen and make-up that you put out in front of you.

    I know you not looking for the Ms Popular title but more humour and less cryptic will do your demeanour and complexion a lot of good as kindness begets kindness.

    I find her sharing her innner thoughts and inner conflicts with us as her trusting SHC members with her vulnerabilities.You are abusing that trust by putting your comment which is poking fun at her expense and not at all constructive.

    Despite being on different sides of the coin on the TCB issue I do believe both of us have soften our stand on this issue.

    Ref KNS issue I am trying and struggling to accept it as a teasing me as was pointed out by a few SHC ladies both in private and on the forum.Daniel did you meant it in that manner and tone? That’s the trouble when meanings get lost in translation.Somethings these teasings can backfire and explode in one’s face.

    How about it Tim? Can Lily ho qualify for your title as the female equivalent to you?

    My advice to Lily …a relatively senior member like yourself should be more responsible and be more hospitable to newbies like Nancy even though we may disagree with them sometimes.

    This comment will not help me to win friends and influence(never learn my lesson …right Steven?) people and even though Nancy and myself have disagreed before.I must be fair and play the judge.Anyway for those who do not agree with my view point I am sending this matter to the Court of Appeals(the SHC jury) to find a consensus on this matter.

    Was Lily guilty of having innocent fun,doing it in jest?

    I hope I will not start a new war on a new front.Time for more constructive endeavours and try to reply to Stella and Maggie.

  57. Before I reply to Stella’s question in REF #12 let me ask a question for members.If your potential boyfriend or girlfriend is almost perfect in everyway after some analysis
    but he has a bugbear that you find hard to accept what do you do? Let’s pose it from a lady’s point of view ie he smokes,earns less than you,is shorter than you,he gambles on Mahjong on race horses regularly,he is a night person while you a morning person or vice versa,has kids from a 1st marraige or is a widower with kids,

    My answer is to review and think again if you can handle the stress or hiccups that might come your way and give it a chance to blossom but give it yor best shot anyway and finally be honest with yourself and talk to your partner if your fears can be allayed and your misconceptions can be overcomed.If he is really such a perfect fit in other areas surely he deserves a chance at the potential happiness that both of you can enjoy together by being more than just friends regardless of whether you eventually get married or not.!

  58. Dear Patrick

    Unlike you, I don’t ‘talk’ alot on the website. I just speak my mind by stating the facts and move on. In this case, it’s the same. I merely stated a fact – no malice intended, but you choose to read more into it….. and play the judge again?? Please, I will only be judged by ONE.

    With regards to the TCB’s episode – I would like to make it clear here once and for all : I AM NOT ON HIS SIDE. I just did not feel the need to defend my status and tick him off continuously.

    I have better things to do than to spend time arguing or scolding someone.

  59. Ref #12 Stella Lee,
    0-5 yrs ….. think once
    5-10 yrs …..think twice
    10-15yrs ….. think thrice with the likelihood of failure as you grow older.

    In reverse to Stella’s question I feel that the ideal age difference between an older man and younger lady should be:
    MOST IDEAL 5-10 Yrs
    2nd MOST IDEAL 0-5 yrs . The problem for same age couples is that the lady ages faster than the man and at forty plus will tend to look older than the man.She has to make a stronger effort to maintain herself or make herself look younger.
    10-15years more difficult but not almost impossible compared to older lady/younger man combination.In this case the man has to work harder to maintain his libido,make serious attempts to look younger,maintain youthful interests like dancing,being generous when rich also helps,being more attentive to the needs of his partner.
    However if you are truly in LOVE than ages be damned and go for it.This is about looking for the ideal age range as a priority but have to face reality when Cupid’s arrow strikes your heart.If she or he gives you a tingling feeling
    than you don’t really care how old he/she is as long as she is younger.

    Let’s address Stella’s question.Let’s rule out the toy-boy relationships which are based on sex(provided by the man) and money(provided by the lady).Older lady/younger man relationships usually have physically attractive ladies or wealthy ladies in comparison.Having an understanding nature and demeanour will help keep these relationships thriving and alive.In most cases the lady is the dominant partner .Such ladies also tend to have a higher libido than their partners.The men tend to be handsome or physically attractive or well endowed and very smooth and suave in making ladies feel attractive and desirable.

    Before you seriously consider such a relationship review these issues.Despite the age difference does the man look older or looks the same age as his patner.Can the couple take the snide remarks that will inevitably come from family,relatives and supposedly close friends.The man should look at his partner’s mother and ask himself if he can still appreciate her in his old age.It would be easier if the man earns as much as the lady.It would help if they both have common interests.It would help if the man dresses more maturely and the lady dresses herself to make her look younger.The lady has to pay close attention to her looks and keeping her weight down.She has to try to cultivate or acquire younger interests like dancing.The man has to be particularly careful not to ogle at other ladies.The man has to constantly reassure or praise the lady when he notices something different about her appearance ,make up ,lipstick,perfume and hair style.This will help her build up her confidence and maintain her composure when in the company of friends.They will also need understanding family ,relatives and friends to be discreet difference conversations.They have to discuss openly whether they want to meet other friends often or they would rather keep to themselves.Subjects like having children and what religion the children should be brought up in are important especially if the parents belong to different religions.

    It also helps if Couples practice some of the points mentioned in ref #51.Buying of sexy lingerie or underwear also helps.Romantic games in the bedroom will also help to keep the oomph in the marraige.These games can include granting of wishes to each other or forfeit on bets made between the pair,Blind man’s buff(one party is blinfolded temporarily but use of hands allowed,I ‘m your slave,Immune to your charms(one party tries to remain indifferent to partner’s seductive efforts for as long as they can),read an exotic book from India and re-enact the plays.I hope I have handled a sensitive subject in a dignified way and this helps current married couples in SHC to spice up their romantic lives.Caveat Emptor clause applies.An extra effort can be made to learn professional massage techniques would help soothe achings limbs as well.

    I trust like good stout my advice has been “worth waiting for”.It’s late so I shall address Maggie’s questions later this week.

    Both parties must come into the relationship with eyes wide open and be frank with each other and meet problems as a pair rather than alone…together we can climb mountains.

    After being made aware of all these potential minefields and if both of you feel confident you are able to handle the impending problems than I say “GO FOR IT”.Such friendships are harder to maintain and continue but LOVE should conquer all helped by a dash of reality.

  60. Ref #57 Joy Chuang and Florence Ho and Ronald Wie
    in “Sunday Morning reflections” thanks for your moral support.

    It’s quite gratifying and brave of you to speak so openly.Joy ,rather bemusing but rather foolhardy of you to recommend breaking the 15 line limit.

    Hi Terence how about a probation period to continue with 15 line limit only on soccer and horseracing only but no limit on other matters especially on “relationship advisor”.If my excess lines are helpful and useful and appropriate then “let sleeping dogs(opening a can of worms for incoming sniper fire )lie and let me continue giving sound advice.

    Ref #62 Lily Ho
    Despite your rebuke and our different points of view I believe you are still a lady with spunk.Trust you will not hold it against me and accept it in a bemusing manner.

  61. Well, Pat, I am canton and dunno what the hokien KNS means altho coming from yr butty, it has to mean well and befitting your calibre so accept it as an honour.

    As far as Lily goes, like many SHCians, you only know her as the lady with one Ho. Let me tell you than other than being our accomplished danz queen, she can flick her feet with a mighty kick that will send you sharing the pit with pigs. In that sense, yes, she is like me.

    Finally, what’s so wrong with a widowed, shortie gambler and a smoking chimney wrapped into one? “Tien sheng wo chai bi yiu yong”, obviosuly he does hv such talents which attract the gal who adores him. Much as i wont ask question why mares are attracted to you even when down on all 4 legs, you still cant keep pace with them.

    ““A dying chicken kicking at the wok cover” reminds me of the story that when William the conquror fell off from his bickling horse, he grabbed a handful of soil and said “I have England in my hands”. Dan-C, that’s the quivalent I have for now.

  62. Pat..there are things which I rather tell you in private.

    Just want to answer a few of your questions and hence close my case as far as this episode is concerned. Please read CAREFULLY this time, as some of the answers were given earlier.

    1. I called you “self-inflated ego” because you have given yourself a title as Advisor. Worthy to the name or not may be debatable but ultimately it is for others to label you. And I thought buying a Degree online is outrageous enough.

    2. The KNS remark refers to your manner of writing. Take a confidential poll perhaps, for better feedback. Everybody is entitled to his/her opinion. Indeed, some have asked for more after reading your text, so there may be some good substances therein. For me, the hefty load turns me off. Had it been shorter and tidier, I would examine and give my HONEST comments, whether it is indeed reasonable, rhetorical or plain rubbish.

    3. I borrowed a few lines from Shakespeare to show you I am not erratic. I give you credit when credit is due and I call a spade a spade.

    4. Finally, keep writing as there are some applause. Just be concise and precise and you wil shake off the other “cise”. I hope I can soon join an audience to prod you for an ENCORE.

  63. #62
    “With regards to the TCB’s episode – I would like to make it clear here once and for all : I AM NOT ON HIS SIDE. I just did not feel the need to defend my status and tick him off continuously.”

    WHAT IS YOUR IMPLICATION ON THIS SENTENCE, I EXPECT YOUR EXPLANATION, YOU ARE BEING JEALOUS AND BIASED BECAUSE YOU CAN’T WRITE THE WAY I DO.
    “I have better things to do than to spend time arguing or scolding someone.”

    May I ask, who are you to comment on me for writing too much, does it affect you with that TCB issue?

  64. Hi Tim,

    #60
    I appreciate you for your understanding, my posting in this forum is just to voice up my point of view and my inner thoughts.

    I thank you for being an Advisor of Hearts, well answered questions, keep up your good work!

    Cheers!

  65. Ref #62 Lily Ho
    I do acknowledge I talk a lot but I trust even you MRS. DOUBTFIRE(name calling backed up by supporting statements)…full of fire and having a lot of doubts about the quality of my talk will care to admit that I have delivered mostly in my talks albeit with a lot(and I do mean a lot) of dragging and repetition (facts cannot be denied)sometimes as pointed out by my buddy Daniel Chan.Sure Tim,Steven and Daniel Chan and even my longest SHC friend Danz and myself have crossed swords(sometimes not so gentle and sometimes almost a repeat of the Vietnam War Saga)in the forum but we sincerely(I do believe it) bear no malice(current tense) and moved on from the initial misunderstandings and have forgotten about the transgressions(real or imagined) of the past.

    The trouble is some people even if they don’t have to apologise find it hard to admit “that they made a mistake”…if this is difficult how about “I didn’t get it right but I’ll get it right the next time” or I overlooked the point but with your input I see it in a better light”
    People tend to be defensive and see things only from their own view point and not see the hurt caused to the other party.
    They hide behind the veil of “no malice intended” as a justifiable defence but the more pertinent question is what was the effect of the words on the other party.The question is “do you know the person well enough to pass judgement on his or her writing.As an example I will dare to call Tim horrific but cute names and I know I will probably get away with it and vice versa but I wouldn’t dare use the same liberties with Steven(as like him I would rather keep the peace).

    Even when I am labelled as talk a lot I will not find it offensive as it comes from you and we have met and I do take
    it as a personal attack but an honest statement of truth.However saying something as innocent as you write a lot probably to a person you’ve never met before(at least you can’t be accused of being biased) may take a different tack ot tone and a reaction will happen as I had expected.I wanted to douse the fire but have probably fanned the flames and turned it into a bonfire.Can I buy the 2 ladies in question a drink tomorrow and douse the flames and start anew(now more experienced after Vietnam episode).

    On my part I could have ignored the injustice and tried to
    get more attention and try to improve my reputation(what’s left of it anyway) be Mr Popular(can’t beat Danz …too far behind)but as usual had to fight for difficult causes and underdogs(what is it with me and dogs…can’t seem to run away from them).Before I get shot I am not calling anybody a dog.

    For once I am asking the ladies not to complicate matters by rekindling the TCB episode…not worth bickering about. and I sincerely believe the writer of this quote meant no harm(but harm was caused) but was just ragging the newbie and being impish …part of orientation into SHC culture.
    Just like the coinmaker(Justice Khoo the cuckoo sent for early retirement…have a good laugh at my expense if it makes you feel better) I can see both sides of the coin while both of you can only see head or tails from your own perspectives.For your sakes I am breaking the 15 line limit imposed by Boss but I hope the both of you are worth it.Can the ladies follow the examples of the SHC Men and move on.If you can , for both of you do turn up tomorrow…the drinks(one round only) are on me.

    How about it ladies? One Lady’s meat is another’s poison”.

  66. Ref #12 Stella Lee

    Ref #63 myself

    Please note if the lady looks her age in th 0-5 yrs gap do reconsider seriously if the man actually looks younger If you can stand the snide remarks and gossips that will surely come your way.

    I would strenously recommend not to consider relationships at all when the lady looks her age and the man is more than 5 yrs his senior and sucidal for the 10-15yrs category if both of them look their age.I hope this advise does not disappoint the optimistic ones.

  67. “As an example I will dare to call Tim horrific but cute names and I know I will probably get away with it …”

    Knn, Patrick Khoo, yaw siew boo more kia, li ng chai si, you old monkey, the 18th descendent of humpty dumpty, see a cockroach you flee, yr front side stung by bee, yr backside you make money, tackle the ah sor selling kopi, her hubby give you mati………….

    Let me share a bit more of Pat pek’s long-windedness. We had kopi one evening and chatted. When I realised he cd go on and on, I told him I had to go. He was still talking.

    After walking a distance, i turned around and waved him goodnite. He was still talking. The next day, I went to the same coffee shop for lunch. On the same chair at the same table, ah Pat pek was still talking.

    2 days later, I passed that cofi shop again and ah Pat pek wasnt seen at that table but before I cd say heng ah, there he was sitting in the middle of the park, a short distance away, doing what you wont hv to guess. The kopitiam operator had to tolong him to go somewhere to talk as his never-ending talk to himself had frightened even the birds from picking food at the kopitiam………

  68. Hi Tim Liu,

    From the para below if it is true,
    ….The kopitiam operator had to tolong him to go somewhere to talk as his never-ending talk to himself had frightened even the birds from picking food at the kopitiam….

    i) Patrick really needs some professional counseling / medical help

    ii) or may I suggest that he can continue talking at Hong Lim Free Speaking Corner; at least there will be an audience to listen to him rather than talking to himself.
    So kesian, If only he could be like the American black woman who earn herself $ million for hosting TV talks on family affairs.

    Sorry forgotten her name ,see being classified as a silverhair is no joke, even memory is fading.

    iii) Tim, knowing you as a “queer”joker, wonder what you had written is true or was it an exaggeration to indirectly “put him off ” from being too long winded in our forum.

    Your comments pls, Tim

  69. Ref #73 Tim Liu #74 Steven Chan

    Attn ladies : this is how the brutes in SHC bitch.

    I can now add fortune telling and soothsayer’s tag to my resume as I predicted the return of friendly fire(ha ha ha).
    I am enjoying it even though on receiving end this time.I must be a masochist and they must be sadists but definitely not gay despite our Phantom of the Opera in the Forum.

    TIm for a Cantonese you sure talk a lot(see I used same words as the ladies but in a different context)in Hokkien.Anybody care to translate the Hokkien gibberish into plain English.Tim want to Tarok please get facts straight not Monkey Sign but Water Dragon Zodiac Sign and can vouch that you are not Gay as despite associating and in close proximity with you I am still a Virgin(Virgo Horoscope Sign) on the A-side.

    As for Stevie Wonder I will take your advice and seek counselling from Dr Steven Chan(Am I mad to seek medical help from you?).Are you available for free counselling?My 1st question is how to handle Tim’s addiction to foul Hokkien language.Is there a cure ? Can we wean him of this dilemna?In answer to your question the American Lady’s name is Ophrah Winfrey.Got to sign off and prepare for tour quote to Vietnam.See one and all this afternoon to get Tarok by the Ladies and add to my one shoe collection(my latest fetish)

  70. Steven-C, yes and he abruptly stopped talking when the last cow finally came home…..it being the real thing, the animal cd cow beh more authentically than he cd cow bu.

    Jokes aside, yes, he still rumbled on for a few more minutes after I had called it a nite and said my adious……..

    But I like him for what he is………

  71. Mr PKhoo(Mr Cool)
    I saw yr post few days ago..the subject seem quite ‘catchy’.Today i hv time & peep whats going on.

    At first i read with enthusiasm,but Patrick u can write so long..
    Agreed with Kenneth@37..saya mata jadi squint & become blur lah!..haha

    Despite that..i still go on reading..if its a book, donno how many chapters oredi!..i gathered & scrutinized every episode…until the ‘fire’ start a little!…alamak, lets make our forum a place for us to share our thoughts & experiences peacefully…be it good or otherwise..i really feel awkward that we should be ‘fighting’ & calling names..hey apa macam?

    But i really had a good laugh until pengsan with Tim’s & StevenChan’s jokes!..very humourous especially the nursery rhymes…giggled giggled..my colleagues thot i gila!…hehe :) well done boys!

    Patrick…jangan marah2 lah…yesterday i saw you..never blanja me drinks?

  72. Ref #77 Norlinda Sayang

    Cooled down already…made up with Karen Thio and Daniel Chan (on the phone)already.Received luke warm/cold shoulder treatment from Flower Power Lady alias Cinderella.Hope she’ll forgive me .Working hard to change cold Moon to warm Sun…”boleh tolong tak”

    Very jealous, “mata hijau ,adek angkat dua ekor tidak puji saya “but neverheless enjoyed their jokes too.I hope your “abang can take my jokes when I call you “sayang”.Yesterday bought 2 guys drinks(guys night) but was lucky somebody bought me dinner.

  73. Patrick..
    Ssshhhh!…jangan pangil saya sayang in front of my abang sayang…nanti dia tak boleh tahan cakap i cannot join SHC lagi bcos so many handsome men around!haha

    Eh!eh!..why you jealous the 2 adek tak puji?..that nite u sat beside me,but chat with dear CarolineSit so close & whole nite long…leaving Wana & Pearlyn out..u tak fair tau!…advisor cannot like that leh…hehe

  74. Mr Cool guy..

    We girls use both rite?..this is my version(not sure whether the rest hv different tone)..haha means laugh loudly(when its very funny) but hehe means to laugh sheepishly..small cute laughs,like very shy..to indicate that im not serious…hhmmm..means im pausing,faham tak?

    But what is amp?..saya tak tau leh?

  75. PAT… you there?

    PLEASE don’t give me false hope, on this fuzzy Friday night.

    BUT Race 7 Ace Amigo by N Callow looks an awesome
    sight.

    SO tell me how I can combine it with other 4-legged to win this fight.

    AND it is beef noodle again if your tip and my tweak prove us right.

    Cheers !

  76. Ref #6 Maggie Teo .Sorry for being M.I.A(missing in action due other passions including interview on 20Sep in Newpaper on page 64 on soccer.

    Hope you find it’s worth waiting for so here goes:Do they ask you questions only about youself?Are they forthcoming and willing to share info about themselves.If they cancel or postpone an appointment do they volunteer to tell you what they are doing without you even asking.I am not suggesting you give them the 3rd degree all the time but additional info will make you more comfortable.Does he make up for it by suggesting an alternate date soon.

    Do they only give you their hp nbr only or do they give you the full works incl ofc nbr,home nbr.When they give you a home nbr who else answers the phone?if there are family members answering than he is sincere but if there is no answer or only he answers the phone it could be a bachelor’s apartment.Do you know his date of birth.Does he spend his birthdays with you all the time? Is his weekends spent with you most of the time?If he’s not you’ve got a problem unless he volunteers a reason.

    Does he treat you extremely well but examine how he treats his parents and siblings.Whether he callous,indifferent or uncaring will show wheter he is a selfish person.

    When you play games(eg MJ and badminton),go for holidays
    or chalet outings will help you see his true behaviour.How they win/how they loose will show you how considerate he may be or otherwise….to be continued

  77. Ref #6 Maggie Teo
    if you have an overseas relationship a rich guy might be romantic on the ph but goes out with other girls the moment he puts down the phone.If he is just as consistent in emails,SMSs and greeting cards than I believe he’s genuine.Even if he is not good with words but he makes an effort to choose a romantic card than he is sincere.Better still if he buys you a skype phone!
    Guys will try to impress a lady at the start of courtship and new brooms sweep clean.Observe his actions…are they practical?Does he send you home from work everyday even when not on a date?Does he send you beautiful roses?Is he thoughtful in his selection of presents that you like?(does he bother to research before buying).Does he open car doors for you.Does he bother to send you to the door or walk up with you when sending you home?Be careful when he buys you an overly expensive present to impress you(may be sincere but may also have an agenda of getting you into bed).

    To truly know a guy you must see how he handles a disagreement when you quarrel.Does he always give way to you
    (not a good sign as still waters run deep…with time the tables may turn) even when you are in the wrong and over the top?Does he always want to be right without caring for your feelings.If he is wrong does he admit it and apologise?

    If you have a passion for dancing,movies,MJ,cycling,
    badminton but for some reason he does not approve.Let’s take dancing as an example is he willing to embarass (2 left feet) himself to try and accomodate you.If he does not approve of MJ do you discuss it and try to understand each other…are you loosing consistently.In moderation it’s OK.

  78. Ref #6 Maggie Teo
    How do you spot a buaya?
    When you have not given him any cue and he takes liberties in physical contact when you first meet(a leopard cannot change his spots and will reveal himself even on 1st date).
    A buaya does not take a hint or even does not bother to listen to you when you admonish him gently but directly.
    If he still persists despite a direct warning that you are not comfortable than drop him like a ton of bricks.

    At our age we can’t wait for the 3rd to 10th date to hold hands or wait for a goodnight kiss.So don’t penalise a guy for wanting to hold hands when you cross a street or putting his hand round the waist for a short instant.The most important thing is be yourself and go with the flow and encourage or discourage a guy with verbal/physical cues.Remember Guys want to get closer mentally and physically when getting to know a Lady but is he respectful of your cues and acts accordingly.You are the one in control and holding the reins so guide us men accordingly.Don’t flirt and tease and pretend to be offended when the guys follow your cue.

    A buaya will also create situations where physical contact is conducive eg parking in a dark car park or isolated place. or finds excuses to bring you back to his apartment if he is staying alone.You hardly know each other but he wants to bring you for a holiday and even offers to pay for your trip.He will also be over the top in buying you expensive presents to impress you and says I love you after the 2nd date.

  79. Ref #6 Maggie Teo
    will a man make a good husband if he is too attached to his mother?

    Let me get one point clear…If I was a Lady I would be more happy if he is attached and close to his Mother rather than being indifferent and cold or plain hostile.If his feelings are negative try to understand why and if he is justified in behaving that way.

    Being attached to the Mother and giving her priority most of the time is only being filial.However if it is all the time without any thought for your feelings than you should review your own position with him because it can only get worst after marraige .It is OK even if he gives his mum priority for 60 to 70% of the time.However if he treats his Mum like a Queen(out of respect it is OK) but if he treats her like an Empress Dowager than you have to think twice.On borderline cases you should be prepared to give in but if he still gives in without any valid reason or using his commonsense when you have logic and reason on your side.Give him every opportunity to explain his actions and see if you can understand why and try to accomodate him and still be true to yourself and honest about it.If not try and make him understand your point of view and see if he can compromise.

    In difficult situations decide by situations and not by personalities.

  80. Ref #6 Maggie Teo
    How much compromise can a man/woman make without loosing their identity?
    I personally would rate 70 – 75 % as a general guide line for myself.However there is no magic formula as what may suit one couple may not suit another.Am I going to dump a Lady just because she is over my guide line…I would certainly think twice but would not follow these guidelines blindly.

    Take an example of an MCP Guy(they do exist In SHC as testified by the Ladies) or a dominant male(could be a Lady who is dominant) when matched with a submissive Lady.It may work if they are so inclined and match even though in opposite directions.It becomes a problem only when both are headstrong than they must be true to themselves and see how much adjustment they can make without changing their personalities to accomodate their partner.A little adjustment is perfectly alright.

    Issues have to be solved by commonsense and points of view must be justified.If one party refuses to discuss issues at hand logically than it may lead to a breakdown in communications and they may drift apart through lack of confidence and insecurity.As an example one party loves to play (passion)MJ and the other considers it a waste of time.
    If they really love each other than a compromise time frame
    should take effect ie players plays less but dissenting partner compromises and accepts.Player cannot play as often as they like but partner drops objections unless they are negatives like player looses most of the time.

  81. Wah Lao, Mr Khoo….let me see. it took you 3 weeks to reply. If I had to depend on your advice, my um kum tng..and kong ka kiao already (translation – neck grew very long oredi, from trying to see where u r).

    But I appreciate you taking the time and effort SO early in the morning to reply.

    I think you (PK), Tim Liu (TL) and DanielC (DC) should seriously think about writing a novel. 3 of you make good writers – there’s a bit of everything in the 3 of you, which is a good mix.

  82. Hi all,

    I’ve been following the drama in this thread and I do agree with Maggie Teo that PK, TL and DC are good writers. I remember listening to a BBC programme “Just A Minute” a long time ago. A panel of speakers talk about a subject in just a minute, without repetition, deviation etc. Another speaker takes over if he interrupts the first speaker saying first speaker is repeating himself or he has deviated from the topic. Anyone else remember this
    programme? It would be hilarious to listen to our three gentlemen speak about a subject in just a minute. Guys, want to take up this challenge?

    Regards

    Norhayati

  83. Hi Norhayati,

    I guess you have seen this program a number of times. I have seen another similar program years ago.

    Would you be keen to develop this program further. I would be keen to organise one such event one day, and would like very much if you be the host of this program. Plse consider.

    Terence Seah

  84. Maggie-T, since you see a bit of everything in the 3 of us, why dont you take the 3 of us so that you hv everything bit by bit? (Heeee, L-bird, solly solly bo tai chi hor).

    Norhayati, this is what will happen if you put the 3 of us together. 1 guy will keep talking tips and tipping talks, another will be busy taking down and tweaking the tips and the 3rd……using his slipper as the conductor’s baton will guide the first on his pitch, voice and dramatics.

  85. Ref #90 #91

    Umm …Ah …Hmm… Ugh…Ho …Hum…Not not Not a bad idea

    I don’t mind being the guinea pig and try it …how how ber ber about it Bro Tim?

  86. “I don’t mind being the guinea pig and try it…….” Well, you’re in the travel biz, you shd be able to fly to Guinea and be a pig for as long as you like……….

    Heee, I know I have been very caustic with you over the last many days and why? ‘Cos I am still recovering but Sengh has just told me to go cycling which will help eyes to sparkle. Obviously he hates to go to kerala where the staple food is nothing but kana……………

  87. Terence, you’re not serious are you? Me, be the Host of “Just A Minute”, Singapore style? I’ve never watched the program, just listening to it on radio. And I’m so shy, ahem. I can only laugh along with the others and blow the whistle at the end of the minute. By the way, if you’re planning such an event, speakers must be familiar with the rules of the game first, right? They should have a weekly or monthly contest first before the finals. I believe we do have a list of potential speakers in our club, right?

    Regards

    Norhayati

  88. Hi Nor #90
    Aiyoh, you think these guys will only talk for one min ??!! look at what they write, probably took PK 4 hours to write, Tim – maybe 5-10mins, DC – about the same. they more chiong hei than women…of course we know who takes the cake la…

    I think PK will make us read to death, then Tim will make us laugh to death but DC ??? in between somewhere….

    By the way Tim….I notice you’re using these little……dots of mine in your comments. You ask me permission or not huh?

    Also, Tim, I did not say “I ‘see’ a bit of everything in the 3 of us”, I said “there’s a bit of everything in the 3 of you, which is a good mix”. You need to change your glasses already la. I also wonder if there is anything to see uh…kwa ka mai kwa already la….nothing special.

    Another thing is, your language may need sanitization. Not that I am a prude but sometimes you do get carried away. So do a sanitization check ok?

    I remember not so long ago, you said you were a monkey, now you’re a pig…whoa, seems like you got identity crisis, my friend.

  89. Haha, it has been my style to use ……dots denoting an excerpt of a message or so=mthg more left to imagination. Yr dots? Heee, cd they be yr drool?

    “…….I did not say “I ’see’ a bit of everything in the 3 of us”, I said “there’s a bit of everything in the 3 of you, which is a good mix”.

    Assuming you’re right and that you didnt see, then how did you know that when accessible to you are no more than postings to read? Of cos “reading” isnt “seeing” cos you hv the prowess to read by sniffing, or touching……

    Carry me you can but to have me carried away? No way lah. It’s all in yr mind. If one makes his mind the hot-bed of the devil, even the philosophy of Confucius becomes profanity. But I do leave a lot to imagination, healthy imagination for most but for the less than sane, well, they see a need for sanitation…..their sanitation.

  90. Ref# 84 to 88 – total 1,400 words. Wow..had this been a telex machine of the good old days, Mr Khoo would have burnt a big hole in his pocket.

    #89…good suggestion, Maggie. The book shall be entitled,
    “The Art of Persuasion – Concise, Precise or Gaocise”

    #90…”Just a minute” by Nor. Talk talk ta boleh lah…stage fright leh. Pat can have the whole minute…or 100 times more.

    #96…so we have a guinea pig and a pig. Call me a cow then. Because the two “pigs” always argue until the cow comes home. But this cow has no milk. I will buy each of you a milkshake on Oct15th. No worry – no stone becoz not from stone-age factory.

    Cheers….or mooooooo

  91. “Call me a cow then. But this cow has no milk.” A bull is male, a cow is..? So, trust me, you’ll soon hv milk and boobs before that so go shop for bira bira now, a-cup (not A yet) for a start…………

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