The monthly gathering was just over. Shirley Wong was the event organiser. Many SilverHairs spoke and discussed on the topic "Small Business ideas". And new SilverHairs took turns to introduce themselves.
For those who would like to elaborate further on what they had presented during the evening, please add your comments. This helps with the memory.
And, if you have forgotten who’s who, and like to contact a particular person, you may also write your comments on this post. Do remember to write a profile of your interests.
And, if you had wanted to say something, but did not have the opportunity to speak, please share with us as still want to hear from you.
The pictures can be seen here.
Finally, any improvement ideas for future meetings?, don’t be shy. Just drop your comments here too.
Terence Seah/Shirley Wong
Hey Terence, thank you for organising this gathering for us. wow! many new faces, cannot remember their names, especially the speakers. I was wondering if you can write down their names on the photos that you have just taken. Just like what Yew Kwong did on our Batam trip photos. Thank you.
Ah Nee.
Alamak, Ah Nee, you are really giving a ‘kangkor’ assignment to Terence tonite leh.. I bet even he cant remember all of them la.. rite, Terence. Maybe Shirley can help him out lor..
From the photos taken, can conclude that definitely more new faces than old ls lor.. but nvm, tonite can’t remember, another few more gathering, sure can remember 1 rite..
Hi Shirley, Well organized and managed meeting. Lively, interactive and informative. Thank you and Bravo for your efforts :>)
Agreed it was a well organised meeting.
Well done,Terence and Shirley……clap clap.
Hi All
I 2 was there this evening. Glad that there were so many new faces which made me felt very happy.
On the other hand, I (as well as others especially those who cant come because the number was reached) was disappointed that those who had registered did not turn up. On their part, they had also fail 2 inform the organiser so that their seats can be given 2 others, especially the new comers.
Well Done!
Terence & Shirley,
The self introduction of new members were very interesting. But most of the time, people sitting or standing behind cannot hear clearly. Is there a way to improve further….
Yes, remember the guy Leo Koh(the gentleman who recommended the book “Financial Freedom”)had offered to donate a small sound system for future use….correct me if I am wrong.
Hi Terence & Shirley,
Thank you for arranging this event. It was well organised and well controlled. The occasion enabled me to meet many more new faces. Now I am trying to figure out which name belongs to which face.
Most speakers spoke on rather interesting topics. There were many money-generating subjects, but half the time, I was straining my ears to make out what was being said. A microphone would definitely be an asset for such future gatherings. I believe one gentleman has already offered to donate one?
Oi Cheng & Andrew made a very helpful presentation on the SHC webpage login/register, etc. There again, if a projector and screen were available, their extremely valuable information and illustrations would have been clearer and better imparted to the audience.
Thank you again, Terence & Shirley, for creating this opportunity to meet so many enterprising fellow SHCians and listen to their precious views/experience in small businesses.
Hi Everyone,
One other thing I have omitted earlier. Like Yew Kwong, I too feel it would be greatly beneficial to both event organiser(s) and participants, if those interested in an event would register in the SHC website under the respective thread. Anyone who has registered but is unable to attend, due to unforeseen circumstances, to kindly inform the event organiser, allowing his/her cancelled reservation be allotted to the next person on the wait-list.
This evening was a very good example. Many did not show up but the event organiser was not informed. Yet there were some on the wait-list who were deprived of attending despite seats being available. There were also a couple of walk-ins. Fortunate for them, they were accepted as there were vacancies. On the other hand, it would be difficult and embarrassing for both organiser and walk-ins if the event was full and these walk-ins had to be turned away. Let’s hope this kind of situation does not happen.
Thumb up for Yew Kwong & Gingko. :)
Team work and cooperation from eveyone most appreciated.
Fully agree with you Gingko. It’s not just being considerate, it’s common courtesy.
Welcome aboard newbies and thanks for sharing with us about yourself and your interests. Hope to see your profile up on the website soon.
Wasn’t given much time so not sure if the presentation helped or confused those who have problems submitting a post. Anyway, I shall submit a post on this topic by this weekend.
Yes, Leo has offered to sponsor a microphone not sure if it works on its own or need something else to complement its function.
Having taken care of registration in a number of events and meetings, I can’t help but feel very pissed off by the inconsiderate attitude of those who register but do not turn up thus depriving others who so wanted a place. If I have a choice, I shall blacklist these people and when they next register for an event, shall put them on waiting list and only add their names if there are slots. I can accept kiasuism but not inconsideration. And most times, you don’t even see so much of an apology. Sorry Terence, if I don’t sound nice but when about one third of registrants behave this way, this is too much.
Hi Terence
I know there have been many instances of people asking how to post comments. In fact, last night at the meeting, I believe the organizer Shirley went over the procedure but I was too far away to see anything. I thought I can figure out how to do it ie post. However, on looking over the website I could not find any section on posting except the RSS feed? Maybe it may be a good idea to have a writeup in the Frequently Asked Questions section on how to post comments!
Anyway, I hope someone kind soul can show me how to post (sorry for being so dumb). Thanks in advance.
sb
Hi everyone,
Thank you so much for your appreciation and encouragement.
Indeed, to improve on the inaudibility of speeches made at gatherings, a new member, Leo, has most graciously offered to sponsor a portable speaker set. On behalf of all SHC members, thank you Leo. Do let us know how and when we can collect the item from you.
It was really disappointing to have so many members who signed up, and yet did not inform us of their inability to turn up, at least on the morning of the event itself. We could have informed those on waiting list to be present. On this matter, we really seek the cooperation of members, especially on a night whereby we have so many on the waiting list.
As for walk-ins, let us hope that you would take the effort to register. Besides some logistics concern, this is to avoid members picking up on the habit of not registering and just turning up, just because others are doing so. There could be chaos in terms of space and facilitation. As Gingko has commented, we do not wish to cause any scene nor embarrassement if we had to turn away non-registered members due to space constraints.
As for networking, I hope that both existing and new members had been able to link up with each other. Certainly, it would take a while for members to remember who is who. That is where regular meet-ups will help. Join in the various activities we have ongoing and should any new member have anything on, please feel free to post it online. You will be surprised at the response you would get.
For those who have not posted their profiles online (including existing members), please take some time to do that, so that others can get to know you.
As for future monthly meetings, we can only improve upon members giving feedback and fresh ideas. We look forward to seeing all of you next month – remember to register and turn up.
Thank you again.
Hi SB,
Are you going for bowling/cycling activities this Sat, if so, I can show you how to post on this Sat, ok anot?
Hi SB and all who are struggling to post online/leave comments.
Hope this helps:
1) First log in to SHC website
2) Click on to “Home” which is found that the top left hand of the website.
3) Move all the way down and on your right, you will see the word “Site Admin”. Click on that. It would take you to a new page.
4) Click on “Write” and you will come to a page whereby you can start your posting.
5) The “Forum” tab is standard and do tick on other relevant sections pertaining to your topic. eg if you are posting your profile, do tick in the box next to “Members Profile”.
6) After you have finished your text, please click on “Publish”. DO NOT click on “Save as Private” as that would cause non-appearance on the website itself.
7) Do take note that for members who have never posted before or for less than 3 times, you may not find the option “Publish” as yet. Instead, please click on “Save”. Your posting would be moderated and sometimes, it takes up to a day to be published.
Do take note that the above instructions are for placing a new post, not to submit comments on existing postings.
For those who wish to submit comments on existing postings, simply log in to SHC, go the the post itself where you will see eg “11 comments”. Click on that, scroll all the way down to the bottom and that if where you will find a box headed : Leave a reply.
If you have friends who wish to register as a SHC member, please lead them to FAQ where they can find the instructions to do so.
Hope I have not left out any steps…..
SB, you very the cool, man. I actually wanted you to do some notes on the proceedings but will defer that to another year.
While I do thank you for attending for my sake, I never realised that you only wanted to learn how to do web posting there. Even that, you said “I was too far away to see anything”.
Went there, saw nothing, probably heard more incidental noises than intended voices….no wonder you sound so dejectedly.
Gleaning thru the replies so far, there was acknowledgment for the good organisation and crowd control, brickbats for folks rushing to book seats then did a david copperfield, catch-ups and meeting new friends, taking fotos….and probably only 2 comments giving sparingly some credit to substance in the talks.
Perhaps, in future, when there’s really something substantive to talk abt, a better venue would be in an auditorium setting, with the speakers & their topics given ahead of time, and panelists to address Q&A at the end of the presentations.
Otherwise while the “talks” will still meet the objective of socialising, meet-ups and opportunities to do a lot of private talking, those who come in good faith wanting to learn will not get value for their bus fare home.
Hi
Dolly, appreciate very much your offer to show me how to post. I very much like to attend the bowling/cycling sessions and take you up on the offer, but this weekend most likely may not be able to do so. But never fear, will hope to join in these activities in future.
Shirley, thanks for your instructions, will try to follow them and see whether I can post when I have something to say.
Tim Liu ah, very interesting meeting last night, pity you can’t be there. You should try to attend these meetings and add another fun dimension with your charisma. Hope to see you soon, perhaps at the next meeting.
sb
To me, I see SHC as a fun club. Fun clubs should not place emphasis on words like ..blacklisting, inconsiderate etc etc :-)). There will always be absentees and walk-ins. Perhaps in the posting, to add a reminder to participants to pls inform if not coming etc.
And the most beautiful word on earth…SORRY…learn to say it more often (but pls mean it :-)))..So members who hve signed up but didn’t turn up, pls do what u hve to do :-)). How well a gathering turns out, depends very much on ourselves. If each of us go with a open positive mind, to participate actively whenever possible, to volunteer answers whn asked, etc..wow can u imagine the outcome? :-)))
It’s now July but with your warmth and cooing magnanimity that cools, I must feel I am still in June, restful under the coconut tree as the breeze caresses me with its lullaby………..
Do we have to meet only in June like liu lang & zhi lui (the cowboy & the weaving gal)meeting only in lunar july?
Though I agreed fully with June that SHC as fun club.
But I hardly see Oi Cheng lose her cool over nitty issues however judging from her comments, I felt that she must be feeling vry much disappointed for those registered but cant make it for the gathering (whatever the reasons maybe). For this particular gathering, we hv overwhelming members on waiting list so at least those cant turned up make an effort to inform earlier, vacancy can be given to those on the waiting list lor..
As for those walk-ins, I am sure you hv read the post in the process and fully aware of the such gathering and its response, wny not register le – Not that ley chey rite.. Lucky for this instance, we hv no turn-ups, if not, I believed situation will be chaotic and who know, it may turn out ugly also.
We must appreciate every effort that T
Cont’d from abve…
We must learn to appreciate every effort that Terence, event organisers and volunteers given to ensure all gatherings are enjoyable.
I understand where June is coming from. However, if our gatherings were held outdoors, eg parks, then it is fine even if half the people who signed up do not turn up and we get plenty of walk-ins.
For our monthly meetings, we do need to book the venue and make various arrangements with the owner of the establishment. Besides, as in the case of last night, supposing only 20 people turned up, then I am sure a lot of people would be thinking that we could surely have informed those on the waiting list that there are plenty of available space for them. Even fun clubs need organisation and some form of mutual respect from members. We are all adults and just because there are no fees involved to attend, matters are taken for granted. Do spare a thought for others and those who take time and effort in organising events. At our age, I am certain that each one of us have gone through different experiences and no doubt, courtesy and consideration would be something we appreciate getting from others.
This is not the first time that this has happened during monthly meetings, although the situation was so much more obvious last night. What needs to be changed right now are the mindsets of members. We can only do so much with reminders.
Hi, pls let me make myself clear…I JuneLim seriously detest late comers, walk ins or register-but-never-turn types unless there is a genuine reason for doing so. Such acts turn people’s plans upside down MAN!!!.Agree with Shirley that we should change our mindset :-)))..Whn we say come, we must come. Whn we say no come, we must no come. And if we say come but no come, then must say sorry and if possible explain why. Going forward, let’s focus on the positive.
And dear Tim, could you stay humorous and poetic for the next 6 months :-)) or 5 mths, or 4 mths pls, ie if I am not asking too much :-))
I agree wif June. Putting June’s tots in proper perspective, I propose these guidelines.
Say come must come – award a hug.
Say no come must no come – say thank you.
Say no come but come – stand at corner.
Say come but no come – public apology, public explanatory statemnt why say come but no come.
Last but not least those “come come cheng”, keep them waiting outside. LoL
For you June, yr wish is my command even if it means turning the mountain upside down and scaling the hillocks (fann sann yuet lang – canto)…..haha that makes you a commander bigger than a 5-star generalsimo.
And I can see the shadows of a majestic figure lurking around………can that be Mr August Lim wondering what has this guy done which prompted his honey to ask of him “..if I am not asking too much…..”
You, Kwong, a very good ode man !
No wonder the gals hv become so come come chen lately, heads over heels over Yew……….like that how can you not cuuuummmmmmm………..?
Aiyoh Tim Liu
You very poetic; although I very shiok Chinese culture (I am Chinaman too), unfortunately I never learn Mandarin.
I have an idea; I am sure there are many SHCs, especially those originally from Malaysia who wish to learn Mandarin (like me). Maybe some Mandarin teachers in SHC can volunteer to set up class(es), perhaps for a small fee.
sb
SB, for silverhairs to learn Mandarin, they hv to go thru a baptism of rituals.
The toughest is the first where the aspirant will hv to pai si (literally, worship the teacher).
Other than slaughtering pigs, lambs and gifting tons of yowchakwai to the teachers village, toy’ll hv to mien bik si quo for 3 years i.e. sit still & taut facing a wall for 3 years in penitenece.
Then start learning Mandarin if yr wife has forgiven you & you’re still in the mood…………….
Wah Yew Kwong,
“Say come must come – award a hug”
I bet you are hoping Terence would appoint you as the Official SHC Hugger for the female members who register and turn up. hehehehe
Yew Kwong…U very cute & funny guy!!..make me laugh & smiling to myself at my computer..:))
Tim…u shud come, then more fun fun lah..
oh ya Yew Kwong…thank u so much for the nice group photo u gave us on the Batam trip…how much ah?…paiseh 4got to ask:))
Kak Norlinda
Tks 4 the compliments.
Group photo – tak mau bayar saya duit, its free lah.
Shirley
We shall appoint Tim as the Official SHC Hugger. He got muscles I dont hv leh. His muscles will warm the members up lor.
You Kwong, thanks for recognising my potential so when we hv the next talk on small biz, I’ll see how SHCians can propser from mussels, whether nz green mussels or the muzzled mussels found in wet markets……but to hug mussels, well, if that too can make $$, why not?
Warm mussels still contain bacteria so let’s cook them in hot chilli sauce, esp the musular mussels………
I was not one of the many who signed up. And I did not turn up. But I do have something to say after reading the comments.
I was amazed at how many people signed up for this. So it looks like the typical kiasu Singaporean mentality reared its head here – chope first, never mind if I later come or don’t come. The choice is mine. Afterall, it is free. Tsk tsk…
But I suppose there would be a few who had good reasons for not being able to turn up, like they got locked in the office, or fell into a canal, etc.
Adik Yew Kwong…
trima kaseh for the free photo lah..
next mth’s meet I blanja u drinks ok..:))
Joy…I didnt know got people kena locked after office hrs…some fell into the canal??…poor thing hor…hahaha:))
Hi Terence,
I attended an Assessors course sent by my company and met up with a nice lady who owned a Hair salon (Hair’em). Apparently they have been in business for 20 yrs and they’ve recently been accepted by WDA to conduct Hairstyling courses for matured people like us (i.e. above 40) and we only pay 10% of the fee which $390 and the rest of the course fees (90%) will be borned by WDA.
Just a thought that it might not be a bad idea for SHC members who would like to learn a trade and be able to do each other’s hair etc. What do you think? If interested, I shall make appt for this lady, Amy Wong to come and give us a short talk.
Regards, Lisa
Terence, Shirley, Oi Cheng & Jie..A Big thank u for ur gr8 effort in putting up dis event. It was a job well done..Kip it up man!!!
Cheers
Dennis
Hi, I am Louis (New Member). Sorry for not able to make it. Urgent matter pops up in my office and had to attend it (my rice bowl). Will make it to attend the next gathering and hope it is on a friday evening.
Hi everyone.
Its really nice to meet all the friendly people at the SHC gathering.
Thanks to Terence and Shirley for alloting me time to introduce “The YoungOnce Place” although it is not exactly focused on business ideas.
For those who have visited http://www.youngonce.net and emailed me your comments, I appreciate your feedback and kind words of encouragement to work on improving the website.
Best Regards.
James Seah
Hi Oi Cheng,
Although I am not one of the registrants for the July gatherings, I am here to share my opinion.
I understand your frustrations and dissapointments with those who had registered but failed to turn up. Just to remind you what SHC is stand for SilverhairsClub :) Silver hairs are forgetful people especially those who are busy with tight schedules. So maybe in future, the events organisers like shirley and terence may request for all serious participants to leave their contact numbers (to catch the culprits :) joke) so as to remind them through sms the date, time and place once again.
During my younger days when i was working before, i used to organise outings, D&D for the office. All I did for success in my project was to pick up the phone and start dialing to remind participants of the set date and time. The next thing i knew was everybody turns up smiling. In today’s high tecnology, one sms is able to reach everybody’s HP. :) just sharing my two cents worth.
Hi Jnnyaries,
I am 1 who registered to attend but also 1 who make an effort to inform Event Organizer/Terence that I am unable to meet 1 day in advance.
All registered members’ particulars are kept confidential and I am sure not everyone would like to leave down their mobile# in the main here. I am sure if Oi Cheng 1 2 catch the culprits and list
cont’d frm abv..
If Oi Cheng 1 2 catch the culprits and list their names down here, it can be easily done even without their mobile contacts. Like I mentioned earlier, hardly I ever saw Oi Cheng lose her cool as she have been always offering her help in the registration for the most of the gathering events. So I can understand her frustrations.
Organising D&D and outing within office area is not as strenuous as this as they are still within reach, within the company so it is manageable, right. Unlike SHC gathering, members registered are from everywhere which she hv no linking to, unless of cos, she checked with Terence for contact which I believed Terence might not in favor to offer due to confidentialty.
To me, a gathering will be definitely happy if everybody make an effort to play their respective roles.
Alamak, Terence, pls help to delete my comment #43. Sorry…
In addition what Dolly hd mentioned in comment #42, Terence hd advised that members do not leave their contacts number here. This will help prevent “unwanted attention” coming to the members.
Security is an issue which must never be taken lightly.
Louis, even if your apology came a day late, I still appreciate.
jnnyaries, forgetfulness is a lame excuse. May I remind that organisers are also Silverhaired and they also have busy schedules and they can also be forgetful. But, once committed, they make it a point to set aside time from their busy schedules, and make a big mark on their calendar so they do not forget.
I find it strange why excuses are given for those who signed up but not turned up. Have we forgotten about those who wanted to attend but were turned away. What reasons shall we offer them?
I hv rarely missed a serious discussion, and this has become one.
Despite fact that this forum is sometimes seen as a playground for the young-at-heart us, at no time shd we be lulled into believing that we still can play play when we are called to behave responsibly.
Organisers of events esp events which have a maximum capacity and in a room setting, will have to plan for every detail painstakingly & with many hours put in.
So it’s not too much an asking to inform the organisers if one cant make it to attend. When there’s cost to be paid, and the last day for withdrawal has passed, do pls pay the cost.
(For events I organise, I wont accept a withdrawl notified in less than 24 hours).
SHCians are no longer young people and if we cant do and act responsibnly at our age, when will we?
tim
jnnyaries Says: Silver hairs are forgetful.
Agree its “yes” but excuse its “No”. Satisfy yourself wif an answer to this question. “If I m the organiser n I forget to attend the event on that day, can I simply tell the audience I forget?”.
Forgetfulness can be rectified by taking notes on piece of paper or in a book. Its a fact that people who easily forget will tell U they are not n are stubborn to heed your advice. Dont let this happen 2 U.
We SilverHairs not Silver Hairs believe in giving our best in what we do n always others b4 “myself” be we participants or organisers.
Heh, so after all, it is all about responsibilities and the practice of courtesy that counts.
Sorry for my ignorance, when i mentioned about leaving contact numbers for the organisers, of course i don’t mean by having it publish on the web. So far I have not tried registering any activities with SHC yet (still a newbie) I had misunderstood that all registrants need to call up organisers to register their names.
I think i need to go through the FAQ for more info. before i comment. Meanwhile, no more comments from jnnyaries. Cheers.
Jnnyaries, hahaha, you sounded miffed.
No lah, we just spoke our minds, shared what we believe, never a moment wanting to say that we, or at least me, were never guilty of being “irresponsible or forgetful” at some point in time of our lives.
As I used to tell my kid, we may already be good today but we still can do better tomorrow.
Will treat you to a drink, if you will.
Ai mai?
Hi everybody,
On the subject of informing the organisers, when you cannot make it to the gathering, after you have registered, I would ask participants to inform via a simple comment that you cannot come, on this forum, as early as possible.
This website is accessible from anywhere in the world. We ask you to use this method, for the convenience of organisers. We appreciate you do not email the organiser.
Terence Seah
Hi all concerned SHCs, esp Oi Cheng & Shirley
actually I don’t know why I registered to come in the first place. As Terence and Beng Wi would know, I am the Vietnam/Shanghai guy who is only here till mid August. So since SHCs only meet once a month, I thot this a good opportunity to touch base. But I had somehow not realised that ‘infrequent husband’ demands like fetching wife from work only at 6.15 pm coupled with night lessons starting at 7 pm fell on a TUes 17th July. The car journey trails from CCK/Clementi/Church St. so almost no way can I attend THAT gathering (my class finis at 930 -all pack up & balek oredi). So do forgive me for ‘depriving’ someone of a precious space on this occasion man,, . Like I said, I actually only wanted to meet up with people interested in a teaching job in China -but next moment, the ever helpful big T posted me as giving a TALK -thus heightening the overall ambience!! I mean, there could be some unwarranted expectations lor.. Again, I sincerely apologise for my misjudgement. When will the Aug gathering be??
shanghaibird -gary loke
Sorry, big T in this instance means, TERENCE SEAH, and not anyone else…
To All SHC friends,
I am one of the culprit who has registered but failed to turn up. My most sincere apology.
I have a very good excuse. My job requires me to travel and it happened in such rush that I have totally forgotten to alert anyone.
In your next meet, coffee on me strictly to the organizers only….need to limit the number of pax otherwise will go bankrupt and not having enough for retirement.
Chris Sew
Reference to comment #12 that I shall put up a post on how to submit your post, please note that you can now find this under FAQ.
Credit to Shirley who listed out the steps in comment #16. I find her version very concise and easy to follow.
Terence, thanks for updating and we hope to see more members putting up their profile.