I join this forum about 1.5 years ago.
Before I join, I read about this new member who in his profile was writing about his marrital bliss and somehow it offended a few members, culminating in him withdrawing his membership. The members involved in this quarrel were both males as well as females.
Next, there was this male member who was disliked by other members for his ego and boastful posts. He was mercilessly attacked. Again the active parties were both males and females.
Than there was this male member who questioned if divorcees are as relax as happily married women. Of course he gets it from the divorced women but I was suprised that some men also join in the fray.
Of course none of you can miss this episode of 2 educated SHC men almost coming into blows during a party organize by SHC member.
Two weeks ago we had 2 guys quarrelling about who is the better IT guy and other men including yours truly(shame shame) took out our keyboard and join in.
This week, the physical confrontation between men which did not happen before was again revived and eventually stopped by Terence.
It occurs to me that ALL quarrels in this forum involves men. There are suppost to be much more female members than males in this club. Why are the women not quarelling among themselves but men are involve in every occasion. Do man become grumpy and quarrelsome when we grow old? What happen to girls when they get old……do they become more lovable?
TS,
Very observant of the conflicts created by ‘man’.
Maybe our ‘man-opause’ is more lethal than a woman’s
menopause as we reach our 50’s, 60’s and 70’s. Haha…..
jt
Hi Tian Soo,
It is bound to happen once in a while when both parties disagree with one another’s view /
Worse still if it hit on personal issues like what happened a few weeks ago is like seeing a TVB HK drama.
Perhaps in SHC, the women are more TOLERANT than MAN.
James,you are dead right.
The man are heading for MAN NO PAUSE and become grumpy,itchy and grouchy. Ha! ha! :)
2 thumbs up for the ladies! Huat ! Huat!
Tian Soo
On the dot. I joined in Oct.2008 and had acquired so much experience on the post on individual characterisation and male ego. Not that the females do not quarrel. In SHC, they formed groups and gossip within their groups of each and other females too.
They compared and do fight over men but on a more subdued note without really washing dirty linen in public. Most squabbles are highly classified within the group. But, even an egg can a chicken hatched. So the story is retold and many a times walls have ears. Nothing is secret in SHC.
Beauty can be a double-edged sword for a female in SHC. Likewise, a plain Jane may not be the apple of the guys’ eye. Sad but true. Don Juan knows.
How do we qualify and quantify the idiosyncrasies of ocurrences in a human platform like SHC where majority of us are of diverse background and are experts in their respective field of endeavour.
At an age of wisdom, many still want to hold pride of place
in our perimeter of excellence. We are unable to let go the
impermanence of acquired norms. We are living the delusive life of clinging on. We aged but we are not awakened by the simple truth of understanding the qualities of human interaction. The very basis of human relationship. We lose our finess and PR on how to handle a delicate situation and blew it out of proportion. We lose our genteel nature and our personality.
If we can examine our EGO, our PRIDE AND be AWAKENED, we will be the MEN and WOMEN of SHC and for that matter anywhere in the universe. We are the children of this world.
Thank you TIAN SOO to arouse my inner feelings of goodwill
not animosity.
We all (be it male or female) can co-exist in harmony and peace in a small ‘mature’ club like Silverhairs.
LeePat S J
Hi Tian Soo,
We, ladies are poor thing….we have a career, at times very stress in office. Back home, we have household chaos to attend to, then must think of what to cook for the family this weekend….so busy, “mana” got time & energy to nag & quarrel with people over unnecessary issues. I think hor; those quarrelsome people (usually the men) are very free, nothing better to do lor. hehehe….
Quote: “What happen to girls when they get old……do they become more lovable?” Yes, of course and wiser too! :)
Ah Nee
Aiya! Ah Nee Nee,
You are old and wiser. Spot on! I like and love old and wiser ladies. You can qualify lah. Susan Zhang also qualifies. ‘Moi arh lay hai pin toh’ (cantonese lingo)
Heheheheee!
LeePat Don Juan
Hahaha Tian Soo
A year ago, yours truly also made a mistake of “attacking” someone so boastful whose ego was too big for his own good. But as I grow older, I am wiser and try to mind my own business, but will react whenever necessary.
I dont know about other ladies but I definitely grow more forgetful so sometimes when I want to type in response to some quarrels, I forget what I want to type so nothing said and no one gets hurt.
Have a great long weekend everyone.
Caroline Gee
Many years ago I was in Las Vegas. A very striking blond hooker stood right in front of me, her 2 assets almost touching my cheeks. She ask “Sir, do you want some relief?”
I was look up in surprise and ask “What?”
My very suave friend who was standing behind me said to me “Bodoh, she ask if you want a f***”
Now, I am wandering if old man becomes quarrelsome because they do not get any ‘relief’ or just not enough.
Oo oh Tian Soo,
You better wear helmet & bullet proof vest…else you know what will happen……haha..
James #2 – maybe hor ? LOL.
Helloo LeePat Don Juan #5
Ah Nee #4 is correct. Lei ku ngo tei ho tak han, sek pow mou yeah zhou huh? Liu shen kwa zi ? (canto)…hehe……
In general, the word “old” is very sensitive… especially to ladies. Nor used to tell us : “We are not old. We are still young at heart”….rite Nor?
To each its own…..we like the way we are…..hv fun & be merry…… afterall we are here to make friends and not to create havoc like earthquake, typhoon or tsunami….haha….. so must ?, ?, ?. :)
Have a superduper weekend !
Cheers,
Suzhang
I observed that shc is not a place for members to try to fix each other’s problem, so it seems there are bouncers here making sure interpersonal problem are being relocated outside shc.
shc apparently has more men than women; does our men here have problems anything to do with numerical inbalance?
if behind every happy man there is one woman, behind every unhappy man there are always two women…the dynamics is complicated.
Tian Soo’s Post raises many good points for sharing. We cannot stop discussions, criticisms or personal attacks, even if the founder ends further comments. If we share our views and experiences, this forum is an ideal mechanism for understanding each one of us better. We should not use this forum to attack another person. Respect the other person’s viewpoint. This subject is not sensitive, we just have to deal with it maturely. We are all human.
Have a great discussion.
Terence Seah
Hello Mr. Lim Tian Soo,
Please excuse me for correcting you. In your post, the main arguments were not on “who is the better IT guy?” Looks like you have a problem in your interpretation or not following the sequence.
Your post “Man” can be sensitive at this moment in time and I believed that those involved in the recent quarrellings have not cooled their heads yet. You are lucky so far in the responding comments but may not guarantee for another outbreak of cross-fire. I wish you luck.
Cheers,
Hi Tian Soo,
My take is these arguments arise for different reasons.
Some just want to join in the herd and attack the person who appears to be ‘weak’.
Others attack because they want to impress the opposite sex. You can easily recognise the lecherous, salivating, desperate ‘picture’ they emanate. They also hide their agenda.
Some ‘attack’ because they feel they have been unjustly treated and want some semblance of justice from the ‘crowd’.
But ‘crowds’ like ‘the jury’ can be manipulated. And the arbitrator can also be ‘bought’
Some others simply attack like the wild animals they are. They always choose those who are ‘weaker’. Understandably because they follow the law of the jungle.
Most think that SHC members are as stupid as them whenever they give their half-assed replies. They may think they are clever but they don’t know how desperately asinine and pathetic they project themselves.
I think the best answer, imho, is Ah Nee’s reply that women in general and men too, being busier, helping to bring in the bacon and taking care of the house, have more important things to do than to waste time prancing up and down, shadow boxing, thinking they are doing such a marvelous job of impressing the opposite sex. I give more credit to the women than that.
So I would just say that it’s normal venting of male testosterones with some spicing of 1 man trying to impress his harem, like what our good friend Feztus, being the seasoned observer of social dynamics, has indicated.
Whenever the weather gets smuggy and unbearable, just give me a call for another trip.
Your friend.
Tian Soo – by starting this post, you have obviously answered your own question in #7 above. Obviously you did not accept the “relief” from the well-endowed hooker. Need help?
To each his or her own. Everyone in SHC is entitled to say his/her piece. We must try to be sensitive of others’ feelings. Words spoken weighed a thousand tons and cannot be retrieved.
I like Feztus Lim at #9. Behind ‘two (quarrelsome) women, there is an unhappy man’. We can choose not to have two women. Sorry many men have more than two like me Don Juan hahaha!
But I am happy. The art is to draw a clear line in-between.
The law of the jungle stays true in the animal kingdom.
Survival of the fittest. We should not degrade to such situation.
Individualism stays true to every character. Let each has his/her says. We will learn from everyone’s experience.
Live and let live. Life is beautiful from the right vantage
point. Thank You.
LeePatrick S J
halo old man ah dong juan ,,, # 5,
how can u call our beauty old & wiser,, kong senior mah or experince 1 & wiser ,,goondo & bodoh u…
if u 1 old & wiser . let me buy u in petain rd @ sergoon rd betta known as banana rd king chio kar !!!
c our bro terence #10
we should use tis forum not 2 attack another person ,,respect other ppl view point.. we r all human lah !!
senior tian soo , sorry hor borrow yr post har ,
hey u old man dong juan ,, u hor ,
let me ve a hard time last nite conosle dolly over yr say on dolly dun ve 2 work so hard , live in comfi on ah huat cofi beans ,,, u r dead wrong , i dun really spend much $$$ on her ,if i buy her apple she buy me back apple aso.
so dolly dun leach on me lah ,,old man doun juan blur like sotong ,, aa chai bo ???
halo song juan #14,
sensitive of others ppl feeling , word spoken weighed a 1000
tons & cannot retrieved 1 lah ,,,well spoken but u bo apply 2 it lei ..sotong lah,,,
every 1 2 day haut huat huat
In a recent speech made by Mrs Obama, she mentioned that both her husband and her are brought up by parents who teaches them to repect others, even those whom they disagree. The new American president himself in his acceptence speach also said he respects those who did not vote for him and will look after their interest as he would other Americans.
I think the Obamas will be a great people if they live long enough.
I even respect the insects and worms that crawl on my land. Sometimes when I remember, I’ll say sorry to the mozzies before I swat them to pieces.
Topic on’Man’
I just came upon this post today. Of all the comments, I enjoyed James Tan’s #1, Ah Nee’s #4, Terence’s #10 and best of all, Charles Chua’s #12.
Ah Nee, well said. They are all ‘chiak pah ka eng’.
Charles Chua, you are spot on. Just the right amount of acidity to ‘burn’ the brains of those testosterone driven, hero wannabes. I especially like the words, ‘assinine’ and ‘pathetic’, hahahaha!
I have nothing against men, real men, that is. There are many nice, considerate, helpful and interesting men in SHC. It only takes a few of those, ‘assinine and ‘pathetic’ ones to spoil the atmosphere.
All men have testosterone, I hope, ;-) but it is where, when and how it’s used, that’s important.
Tian Soo
What an interesting observation.
I have a feeling this is going to elict lots of comments.
I’m going to log in more often to check the progress of this post. :)
#17 Tian Soo, I love you saying sorry to the mozzies and then swat them till thy kingdom come, hahahaaa!
#15 Ah Huat Love is never a easy time. Good time for you to practise tender care to Ah Doll.
Sorry to both, if my good faith to tell Dolly not to work so hard is offensive.
I relate my personal experience to you. Personally, Dolly has the characteristic of my wife Judy. Twenty 25 years ago
I requested her to stop working to look after our second son. We had a daughter as the eldest. She too refused to give up her career and her mother and maid and my mother was involved in a simple upbringing of my son. So complicated. And I was travelling very often on my job oversea.
Now I know why my wife reacted that way as Dolly now. Woman power and self-independence. Financial also capable. In the events the man is not the man to be. Luckily, I am still the man to be after 34 years of marriage, with my wife solid as a rock. An understanding of self-awakening experience.
LeePat S J
Hi Patrick Lee DJ @ Mak Kay Poh / Geraldine Ting,
I do NOT have so much free time in the SHC forum and will reply whenever I am free unlike you……
…..What a wonderful morning today. Going to Gym later with
your dream boy Steven Chan. He is hoping to develop into
a Arnold Swazzenegar(wrong spelling) for your acceptance, hahaha!
Patrick Lee ,you go to gym NOT to focus and “sculpture” your body into an Arnold Schwarzenegger BUT to oogle and talk to young and petite ladies in leotards until you Beh tahan and Lau How Sweh ( as Geraldine puts it in spitting saliva and frothing at its mouth.
Lina Ng and Charles Wee can attest to this.
Hi Lina Ng / Alicia / Mike/ Shirley Yuen ,
You all have been M.I.A. for sometime.
What happens leh ?
Hi Charles Wee,
Hope you had recovered from your flu by now.
And gets more rest and drink more warm water.
Hope to see you again.
thanks Steven for your caring attitude. You make my day and chase away the flu.
Aiyoh-yoh StevenChan the most eligible bachelor in SHC.
With your resume earlier in Jacqueline’s Gillman Ht’s post,
many eligible ladies in SHC or for that matter outside SHC will give you a second thought lah.
Loaded with condo sales money and CPF money. Hope no China Dolls get news of it. You asked for it man!!
I go to the Gym to exercise and interact. That is my extrovert nature. You must do this to attract ladies lah, nimcompoop. Just exercise yourself to death pumping here pumping there but do not know how to pump in the right place
hahahaaa, or is it?
A cantonese saying: Never be a Matchmaker. If something goes wrong, you are penalised. When the couples pair off
well, you do not get the credit. “They will say “Choy lay tall nuong” (No time for you)
StevenChan, you be your own matchmaker lah. SHC got so many
potential. You are being too choosy. A sweet lady back from
Canada is interested in you and you turn a deaf ear. Why so hard-hearted lah. A cup of coffee is very cheap leh!
Aiyoh ! you really “Tng sum tng five” (cantonese lingo)
Get it done lah! reaching 6 decade already hor! Heheheheheeee !
#21 StevenC
…”I do not have much free time in SHC forum…” so what do you do with your free time har. Everyday each CHICKEN rice is it. Only you yourself know lah. Hahahahahaaaaa!
As I’m online literally everyday (except when I’m travelling), I hope I will not offend anyone with my two cents’ worth of opinion.
Tian Soo, albeit I do not know all the members very well, as yet, nonetheless what you summarized was perhaps applicable only to a few men?
As to SHC women being less ‘quarrelsome’ perhaps it could be the women attends SHC events to relax and not to be embroiled in conflicts? Hmmm……..
At the risk of offending all those people who use these words I think frisky debates(to put it mildly) and differences of opinion in the forum are a result of people(I am one of them)using words that are insulting and personal to the wounded aggrieved party. Words like nincompoop, numbskull, sucks, hiding between skirts, go to hell besides all the sexual innuendoes come to mind. In the forum we should discuuss issues and not get involved in personal attacks(or name calling) or engage in a bout rhetorics(as Sheriff has pointed out)or a dose of verbose verbal diarrohea as I have done and offended the SHC community at large(guilty as charged…my humble apolgies .to all
If we go through forum archives I disagree that only the men have quarreled. The ladies have been guilty as well! I consider them as skirmishes compared to men who have full blown battles. Firstly the ladies involved are comparatively not that senior(in terms of membership and being active) and usually other members intervene early to cool things off. For the men in recent history has involved one senior stalwart and active member versus a relatively new member. A carelesss remark(usually with intent) is followed by a callous reply and then degenerates intp a free for all sometimes with side kicks adding fuel to the fire. I believe the Sheriff has stepped in recently to curtail these personal abuses with yellow cards.
Let me now address my personal agenda. I was busy taking a 3 win lead in the media tipsters challenge in horse racing. I wonder if there is a ladies’ s night(next one in mid Dec) where entry is free and lots of goodies and prizes and lucky draws are thrown in would SHC members like to visit Singapore Turf Club at Kranji aided by semi professional advice(free of charge).
Steven Chan after posting in his own words on his “5D EZ GRP TOUR HCMC…” I (Steven Chan)would like to thank you(Patrick Khoo) for spending so much of your valuable time to offer your best company tour deals and hotels and also for lending me your Saigon HCMC City District 1 and 3 maps, brochures, tourist information booklets and tips on where to eat, shop,spa and worthy places to visit not covered by our itinerary”You mentioned in your post “Thanks to Patrick for offering tips on main tour and extension nights- I too learn from you that their strategy may be to give a good price on the main tour but make the extra on the extras.” You also said it was thoughtful and kind of you to loan me some of the brochures with maps etc etc”. You further added “We had let matters rest and even shook hands after our tour”. I thought the Vietnam War between you and me was over and I went into hibernation. Then out of the blue you came out of your Chu Chi tunnel and launched your Tet offensive with a tirade about my “2 weeks of constant harassment over his (Patrick K) decision to hard sell his tour package to us”.You mentioned I was trying to run down your tour agency;s reputation(if I actually did please ask them to sue me) . It is ironic that you actually insinuated that my previous company incorporporated in 1975 and a General Sales Agent to 4 minor airlines as a fly by night operator. This statement was duly retracted and and an apology was given by you and duly accepted. I am already walking on thin ice with the Sheriff…are you trying to provoke a response from me so that I will get into trouble with the Sheriff.If I do not deal with your accusations people will have a wrong impression of me that I am a money grabbing, mercenary, card wielding salesman out to make a fast buck.You even admitted ” I assume I may be wrong that he just join SHC to get more sales of tours for his company and hence more commission from our fertile ground”. Which world are you living in …haven’t you heard of Networking? I will not use rhetorics but will tai chi you with quotes from you, all the 3 remaining members on your tour and your tai kor who gave you good advice.
In your posting you said “please change S$ into US$…I replied not to do so but to keep small change in S$ to give as tips and later change directly into Vietnam Dongs which Lim Tian Soo confirmed in his post mortem ” No need to change to USD then to Vietnam Dongs”
You mentioned that your travel agency charges 1 % for nets payments and 2 % for credit cards. I duly pointed out that nets itself charges zero % for airline tickets and zero percent for SQ tickets but the surcharge of 2 % for Vietnam Airlines was fair.
I recommended the Elios Hotel but you ended up with a switch in hotels from Sol Chancery to Oscar hotel(poorer location and more expensive)and your agency wanting to charge you $20 more per person for your extension nights . I had shown you my price list of hotels and pointed out that the difference should have been slightly more than S$10. My question to you…in the end did you get a slight discount on the extension nights after my comment or did your group pay the original $20. I do believe that my intervention succeeded in your group getting a lower price.
When I did not get the business due to my higher prices and slow response I was not sore and continued to give suport and free travel advice in the forum for the benefit of your group members and both Jassmine Teo(Appreciate the information you gave. Thanks) and Kristin Leong (Hi Patrick, thanks for some of the tips/suggestions given on #67.It save me some time in reading the Travel Guide.Have a good day).
Even you have thanked me with the quotes I have mentioned. Will the real Steven Chan stand up ? I am split(to put it politely) between the enigma of whether the Dr Jekyll in you that unselfishly with great enthusiasm organises interesting events related to your passions and pursuits in life or the Hyde in you that chooses to resurrect a dead cow(the Vietnam War)…long buried and forgotten and trying to harangue new members In trying to create a false impression about me.The older(not in age) already know me for what I am and some- both personal and corporate- SHC members have bought tickets from me with specific seat assignments done in advance). Some have bought budget airline tickets directly through the internet (zero business for me)and have sought free travel advice, maps and brochures which I have loaned or given to them. I hope you will dispel all these false accusations as your own tai kor has mentioned ” Patrick K is in the Travel and tour business and he knows a lot more about hidden coasts which T and T’s load on unsuspecting tourists. He laso go on to say “WHenever Patrick sees an area…which can help save costs he tells.Not wrong of him”
Steven before you reply do reflect well that it does not boomerang on yourself. However if you do wish to be a kamakaze pilot and press the self destruct button I end with this quote from your brother “Sharkspeare” which I think is perfect for you in this context ” One day when an elephant sees more than giggling toes but a sinister intent to instigate , it will danz on your toes till they teeter and never again giggle” Ha Ha Ha.
Just to address Shirley Yuan’s comments on my observations in #32 with the comment political(agreed) egoism and immaturity. My question to you is this “How will you react when you are being targeted wrongly and insulted and no apology was forthcoming? I have since received one and moved on and accept all the past as water under the bridge. Along comes another to take unfair(you decide by reading the Vietnam post archives give me your comments) potshots which look strange in the light of my reply. Are you the type who will turn the other cheek and let half truths go by unchallenged and let him slap the other cheek as well. You seem to be rather fragile to be perturbed by some public discourse in the forum…are you living in a glass house where everything is perfect and you never quarrel or have disagreements with your own friends family members? I have restrained myself for the sake of political survival among SHC members whose carmaderie and company I appreciate by not dealing with Steven in myusual bout of verbose verbal diarrohea which I am capable of but instead chose to reply with Steven’s and other members words to defend my honour and character least I be misjudged by Steven’s contradictions in his Vietnam postings and the recent one in My observations. I rest my case.
Hi Patrick Khoo,
…..I recommended the Elios Hotel but you ended up with a switch in hotels from Sol Chancery to
Oscar Hotel(poorer location ???? and more expensive ???)and your agency wanting to charge you $20 more per person for your extension nights .
I am v. THANKful and HAPPY that my travel agent recommended us the Oscar Hotel in District 1 Saigon and it is located similar to the heart of “Orchard Rd”. Besides, this hotel is within walking distance to some of the v.important tourist attractions like Notre Dame Cathedral,the General Post office,the iconic Majestic Hotel near the Mekong River,the Rex Hotel once the drinking hole of the American GIS ,museums ,the Opera House ,casino etc…
I was v. happy to find out that the Oscar Hotel was in a convenient location. To my opinion it was “SUPERB” in terms of location and $20 extra per person was well worth it for the extension nights.
Only 3 of us wanted 1 to 2 nights extension while Jassmine and Kristine departed Saigon on the 5th day.
It was this “SUPERB” location of Oscar Hotel that we had so much time on hand to visit so many museums, Water Puppet Palace,Botanical Garden, and to sample Vietnamese and fine dining French/Mexican cuisine etc along this stretch of “Orchard Road” .. NOT covered by the 5D4N itinerary.
None of them , my travelling companions from SHC
Tian Soo or Cheng Pun complained that $20 extra per person per extension night was too expensive.
Indeed they were v. thankful and happy to have me for being the EO of this successful Vietnam Tour .
Many Thanks to Cheng Pun who had invited us to his home for high tea and gave each of us a complimentary VCD( momento)
and also who had taken so much of his time video taping our tours and making it into a multi media compilation with soothing Classical Music.
OK. Patrick Khoo,
I do NOT want to go on to justify myself anymore.
There are already some fiction lately and unhappiness among the MAN in the forum and I do not want to made situation worse.
NO further comments from me to you. I rest my case.
Hello Hello
I posted this thread to understand why males ‘fight’ like children in this forum and not the females. It is not meant to discuss about the specific quarrels itself. Please do not raise any of the old disputes here.
If you have any explanation as to why you cannot stop quarreling I’ll like to hear.
Meanwhile could more of you girls come out and tell these men how to behave. I think these quarrelsome guys do it to attract you ladies. What do you ladies think of men who quarrels?
I use to have about 50 chickens. The Cocks fight often among themselves to be dominant so they can have all the Hens. Sometime cocks also attack hens they dislike or did not submit. Hens do fight amoungst themselves but they don’t look very attractive when they do it. So they don’t do it in front of me.
Do we have cocks here?
Tian Soo
That was a good Cock and Bull, or was it Hen story hahaha.
I think this is called “huan seong”. Its the “Men-dont-pause” problem. They just go on and on, always looking for a fight, for whatever reason! Its such a nag. Hearing the quarrels over and over again. No offence here huh. Just my observation.
Cheers
Caroline Gee
Lim Tian Soo
Quote:
“I think these quarrelsome guys do it to attract you ladies”
Far from it. When I see these long arguments, I usually scroll by them and don’t read them. They are not getting my attention.
Before I joined SHC, I had the impression that ladies were the nitpickers, the trouble makers, the jealous and quarrelsome ones. It has since been proven wrong. Or perhaps women are not so willing to express their true feelings and prefer to talk about things and people in ‘private’.
I think personal attacks should not be allowed here. If people wish to argue with or insult each other, they should confine them to their private email communications or just ‘take it outside’ and beat the hell (and stupidity) out of each other.
Yes, Tian Soo, you made a very good analogy between these men and the cocks you used to have. They have ‘bird brains’ perhaps? Hahaha.
Thank god, not all men are like that.
OMG Tian Soo…I thought there was a typhoon in HK ?(according to Geraldine), how come so fast reach Spore huh?..haha… my eye sight gets poorer and I need to go and catch my breath now………Haiz.
Just for info, Elios hotel although it is also located in District 1 is 5 mins walk to Ben Thanh market.
However,the location is NOT as close to the landmarks and places of tourist attraction as Oscar Hotel.
That was why we rather preferred to pay $20 extra per extension night to stay in Oscar Hotel instead which is in the heart of “Orchard Road”
Well “superb” location comes with a price just like any HDB high floor flat with a beautiful panoramic view will cost much more than one that has limited view and low floor taking into account the same HDB flat and same location.
Hi Stephen,
At #29 you said,inter alia,
“OK. Patrick Khoo,
I do NOT want to go on to justify myself anymore.
There are already some fiction lately and unhappiness among the MAN in the forum and I do not want to made situation worse.
NO further comments from me to you. I rest my case.”
Then at #34, you chose to make another post again.
Have you made up your mind?
Hi Charles Chua at #34,,
I heard you but I forget to include this part in my
comment #34 and just elaborate a bit more.
Hi Tian Soo,
Your post #30 on your need to know “WHY MEN QUARREL?”
It is really a no-brainer on why the guys here would argue till the cows come home, sleep, wake up the next morning and start grazing again – they have too much time in their hands (the men I mean).
Instead of putting a useful, productive thread like the ladies with self-improvement aspects like sharing recipes, guys will daydream about cabaret days and whether quarrelsome folks are attractively macho and thus start bees a-buzzing in everybody’s bonnets.
On attracting the ladies – for goofy, giggly teenage girls with their pimply teenage boy pals maybe but for us ladies who have seen much of everything like testosterone-overload days of yore for the men, to those with less of it these days, to layabouts who do not contribute much at home but have the tenacity to write about their nagging wives (wives have nothing to nag about if their husbands and kids do not contribute to the mess and share their responsibilities) – all of this quarrelling is quite utterly Off-putting.
This may be an unrealized irony for you men but the simple truth is that the more that is read, the more irksome the writer becomes to the readers (as the ladies have said time and again to deaf ears or blind people of course). All their undesirable qualities begin to show like their insecurities (those who prattle about how efficient they are in what they do – who really cares and I mean really…) to egomaniacs who must have the last word until you hear a little click as the Sheriff unlocks the safety on his gun.
So much baggage and no time for us ladies to bother to read unless there is a sales tag daggling at the end of a labelled bag with a big discount.
To All Guys in General and to the Ones associated with my cows –
Couldn’t you guys start threads on technological upgrades for whatever gizmos you have, collectibles, all things about cars, best tour itineraries that you can recommend from your travel experiences (without a conflicting agenda in place), book club sessions (I’d like to think that guys do read stuff other than FHM), great movies you’ve seen and the ones you are looking forward to, natural healing remedies, ways to tone up and set ladies all a-flutter (as if!), supernatural encounters (you’ll probably get fans here as it has been proven that our locals love a good scare), heart-warming situations you’ve encountered that would inspire or make folks go “Awww…”, a photography “corner” for showcasing your best stylo-mylo shots along with tips/tricks and a gazillion other possible ways we can improve our lives without sounding preachy.
Here you are – my lelong-lelong of ideas for you to pick but not for picking on others.
Man, I am glad I am a Woman!
Mad
Wow! Madeline Tan!
I couldn’t wait for your comment to be approved. I read it and Wow! I could almost smell the gunpowder from your smoking gun!
I like your style!
Men, don’t take this to mean that we ‘hate’ men ok? We just dislike certain kinds of men.
I reiterate, there are many nice guys here at SHC, but a few bad apples like that will give outsiders a terrible impression of our club.
Make friends not war!!!
Hi Madeline Tan at # 37,
….To All Guys in General and to the Ones associated with my cows –
Couldn’t you guys start threads on technological upgrades for whatever gizmos you have, collectibles, all things about cars, best tour itineraries that you can recommend from your travel experiences (without a conflicting agenda in place), book club sessions (I’d like to think that guys do read stuff other than FHM), great movies you’ve seen and the ones you are looking forward to, natural healing remedies, ways to tone up.
Yes,I truly agreed with what you had written, at least it can BENEFIT more SHC members rather than just
“Long Winded” barking or ” kampong ayam ” continuous Ketock ! Ketock ! Ketock! as if that they are about to lay eggs.
As Mary Chan at #38 puts it Make friends NOT war!!!
Life is SHORT play HARDER before our time is up!
Who let the dogs out ? Woof! Woof! Ha! Ha! :)
Hey Steven,
HAHAHHAHAHAA…………’Long Winded” barking or ” kampong ayam ” continuous Ketock ! Ketock ! Ketock! as if that they are about to lay eggs.’ and ‘Who let the dogs out? Woof! Woof!…..’ LOVE IT!
Life is indeed short, so have at it. Make friends and PARTEE….
Yes,I truly agreed with what you had written, at least it can BENEFIT more SHC members rather than just
“Long Winded” barking or ” kampong ayam ” continuous Ketock ! Ketock ! Ketock! as if that they are about to lay eggs.
I personally feel that it will be perfect if the above be written to stop at ‘……. can benefit more SHC memebers.’
Life is short indeed…. I think we all need to improve our EQ to make our life better….
90% of fighting in schools is between boys. 90% of Karaoke brawl involves men and 90% of road-rage is started by men. In the animal world, the females do fight but mainly for food to feed their young; while the males fight for territory and – yes – the desired female. The law of the jungle dictates that the fittest survive and nature hence ensures continuity of the superior species.
When men become more “civilized”, the battle ground shifts from physical to verbal. Instead of showing how strong we are, we try to show how smart we are. Whether you are 7 or 70, victory in any form is always sweet. Then we have forums in cyberspace. Winners in the virtual world may not get any tangible rewards, but the objective nevertheless remains the same.
So, to answer Tian Soo’s question “Why ALL quarrels in this forum involves men?”
The answer is – it is only natural.
I am having my Semester 1 vacation break. Eat full quite free, so I write.
Patrick Khoo suddenly injected his long-winded outpour on this very post that is ridiculing men (at least in SHC). The ladies are giggling. Some lol. Shame on us if none of us attempts to offer an explanation.
Indeed, some of the ladies here write marvelously well. Such palatable contributions serve as a breather from the other indigestible loads. Sad to say, these are few and far between. Having said that, we must be realistic in what we expect from this website. There is no need to dwell on very serious topics. Leave that to forums like ST, C.N.A and Sgforums. We are happy with impromptu and casual remarks based on mutual respect. In fact 99% of the writers here (including men of course) demonstrate decency and decorum.
Occasionally, some may wish to deviate from the norm. Hence the “quarrel”. I love such debates and there were times when I anxiously await to see what surprises are dished out next. To a certain extent, that is entertainment. The repulsive part comes if and when utterances are reduced to name-calling, curses, vulgarity and threats – a return to the stone-age. That is a shame and that is where the Admin play an active role in ensuring such uncouth and unsavoury vocabulary does not see the light of day.
Finally, an individual should not make use of a post started by another to promote his own affairs, air his grievances or demonstrate his “uncanny wisdom”. By all means, start a new post with an apt title using your own name. Viewers at large can then wisely choose not to read or otherwise.
DC
Hi Daniel Chan #42
Very well put Daniel. Thank you, I learn something from you today. Share more of your wisdom before your vacation is over.
Re your comment #13. Thank you for offering your help but I think if we go back to Las Vegas now the blond hooker would be about 65 years old and her assets may hang down to her knees, half her teeth may be gone and the rest in various stage of decay. I wouldn’t ask this favour of you.
With luck she may have a granddaughter in the same trade and if her grandmother had taught her well, she would approach me and seeing my silverhair and thick eyeglasses would come real close and rest her assets on my shoulders and ask “Want to die happy?”
Hahahhahaha, Tian Soo, regarding the assets down to the knees and on your shoulders……..
Yes, I must say Daniel’s comment is well said and some members’ 2-cent worth.
For me, quarrelsome people (both genders) are whiny, can’t be at peace with themselves and therefore can’t let go, move forward as they are busy harbouring their ‘old wounds’.
Glad to see some male members apologised, made peace and still sweet………..
Hi Daniel Chan2610 #42
Where do you get the opening statistics? Are they from reliable and responsible sources or plucked from the air?
How does fighting in schools, karaoke brawls and road rages relate to SHC?
Mischievous.
Hi Steven,
I am not buying your ploy to take our so called quarrel into private emails as yet as I feel if the public debate ends now fellow members will have the impression that I like to start quarrels and I am an unreasonable person. Your slanted vision on events is rather inconsistent with your past postings and you seem to suffer from a split personality in deciding what is the truth…the Vietnam postings in June 08 where we reconciled and you praised me and the one in Sep 09 where you claimed I harassed you and run down your travel agency.
Since I am borrowing Tian Soo’s thread (as the Vietnam post has been prematurely truncated)to craft a reply let me answer his question first about why I cannot stop quarreling and Mary Chan caliing all the people who quarrel as bird brains( I shall deal with the subjects of cocks by TS and various types of brains later…I am surprised 4 letter words and insults like bird brains are allowed so I can’t be any worst)
The Vietnam War between Steven C ended with a handshake at an MRT station and peace treaty in the forum in June 08. I wonder what ill wind caused Steven to break the peace and claim harassmment and other half truths 15 months later causing him to contradict himself.TS you were a travel companion on SC’s Vietnam trip and yet you have chosen to sit on the fence(rather wisely as I don’t think he has a case worthy of defence) while the 2 ladies have thanked me for my tips which were received warmly by them. Where does the truth lie? I have been like Yogi Bear living in hibernation for one year with the odd appearance in SHC functions and have not caused trouble for anybody and even got the MJ sessions going between members for small stakes of 10cents/20-cents. TS I put it to you if Steven C or anybody else slags off at you with half truths and untruths and says your hydroponic farm or camera taking standard is lousey and of poor quality(of course I know it is untrue!). For Mary C what if he says you are a snob and have a fetish for sitting on men’s laps(which I know is blatantly is totally untrue!) . Would both of you take it lying down and let sleeping dogs lie and let it slide in the forum totally unchallenged?..I think not!. This is exactly the predicament I am facing so I must expose Steven for his inconsistencies in thoughts and statements which have apparently made a 180 degree turn after 15 months of peace.If Steven had left me in peace than the forum will a be a quiet place. Now he is like a spitting cobra hissing out his venom and than claims he wants peace and wants to save Terence forum space knowing full well his inconsistncies cannot hold up to close public scrutiny with the evidence that I will present.For TS I have this question were my dong,nets zero surcharge, highlight of poor loacation of Sol Chancery and difference in Vung Tau upgrade (from a high of $20 per person to a slightly lower price which was admitted in archive) tips helpful or a form of harassment? Let me take a toilet break before I deal with Steven half truths
with Steven directly
Attm Steven C,
Since you have not retracted your claims about harassment and running down the travel agency.(if I actually did they would have sued me by now or asked for an apology). Your mouth after being frozen for 15 months suddently spouted out venom of half truths…then you pretend to be Mr Goody Two Shoes and say ” you don’t want to make the situation worse…how hypocritical of you! I actually have no qualms about you as a enthusiastic ,zealous and tirless EO but some of your guidance is misleading and it will cost members extra in terms of time, convenience and money if not corrected.
Then you claim that I am jealous about Lisa O consulting you.What is there to be jealous of when I do not do tours to Zhujiagor China and have a relatively weak knowledge(not been there before). Unlike you I do not claim to know everything.Since you were very accepting of a rather high deposit of $500 by the agency in question than go ahead and pay up! I merely made points so Lisa O and you will avoid paying an exhorbitant deposit amount. Does this constitute as a useful tip or harassment?. If you have so much money you can do what you like and go ahead and pay the $500 and be smug about it.
If I had not contributed with my tips you might have ended up staying at Sol Chancery if Kenneth T and myself did not input. You are perfectly right to choose Oscar(4star) above Elios (3 star) and I have no issue with your final choice. I will now present evidence on how stressed up and muddled up you are.You posted “Now the package at Oscar Hotel , a top up of $$12 per person. My agent has confirmed your group at Dic Hotel …a top up of $20 per person for the hotel” You go on to say “based on the big picture…all of us are in a win situation and the slight increaae of slightly more than $10 per pax in upgrading our hotel from 3 star to 4 star is well worth it. You go on to say “Thanks to Patrick for offering tips of main tour and extra nights. I too learn from you that their strategy may be a good price but make the extra on the extension” After all these appreciative no less from the horse’s mouth (yourself)you make a back track comment and renege on your words and throw out your spittle of half truths. Don’t you think you should feel embarassed in the light of your previous comments from the archive? So did you end up paying $20 for both the change from Sol Chancery to Oscar and since in Vung Tau the upgrade from Sammy to Dic Hotel did it cost you $20 extra per person per night or did you manage to get a reduction in rates to slightly more than $10 per person per night for both cities. If Steven continues to evade answering this question perhaps TS with insider information might throw some light on the truth. If Steven continues to claim he paid $20 for both the extensions in HCMC and Vung Tau then he will earn the same accolade as tagged by William Safire on Hilary Clinton…either I am a congenital liar or he is truly one himself!
If I had not commented on your advice to your Group to change into USD your group would have a double exchange rate loss…is this be helpful or is it harassment?
In the end your group avoided the nets payment after my advice…wasn’t it helpful to know that they don’t charge the 1% that your agency wanted to charge you? Why dont you take Brother Tim’s observations “that I know a lot more about hidden costs which T and T’s load on unsuspecting tourists.” He also goes on to say “It is common that one becomes over zealous …one can become careless with what one says which sometimes crosses into defamation. What is put forth directly and unequivacally must be substantiated and justified…you get excited you might not be aware that someone wanting to help us is hurt by your remarks so just be little more sensitive lor”
Now for Lisa ‘s trip I enable her to avoid paying so much upfront and you still don’t appreciate my input with neutral objectiveness but scold me for harassment again.
I will like to hear your defence or retraction and /or TS ‘s comments before I hibernate again.
The moral to be learnt …don’t stir the curry pot and take potshots at the bear in hibernation…we do bite back when cornered with discomforting ramifications(verbal only). If you you want to joke I am a good sport but make sure you can take the boomerang in lighter vein. If you have a personal agenda or stoop to personal insults be prepared if it is painful(verbal only) but I will keep within the law as I like to end my remaining silver and white years in the company of SHC sincere friends who have no airs , no inferiority complex and no hidden agendas attending and organising(if approved) functions or while away the time playing my penny ante Mahjong.
If you still not contrite after all this exposure all I can say is that you are an ungrateful person despite helping you will all the tips , maps and tourist information brochures loaned to you which on your part did show your good side on returning to Singapore by presenting me with the latest copy of the tourist info brochure.
I cannot understand the enigma that you are…a selfless, unselfish EO and SHC contibutor who is willing to go the extra mile to share his passions and his life pursuits, hobbies and interests but to me who helps make your trips better you behave like a ungrateful and unappreciative BUTCH with a deep seated hatred who cannot move on and leave Dead Cows buried. Are you a MAN(mindful of the title of this post) of your word?
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